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Old January 2nd, 2007, 12:44 PM   #241
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Traffic in Metro Manila (going into and out of) can be very traumatic especially during the Seasons of Lent and Christmas and in Holidays like the All Saint's Day wherein school breaks coincide. The North and South Luzon Expressways (both connect the Metro to Northern and Southern provinces of Luzon) are especially just insane during the Holidays because Manileños who have dwellings in the provinces (where their extended family is residing) would prefer to spend the Holidays with loved ones, even if it is far from the city.
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 12:48 PM   #242
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^ But the South Luzon Expressway is far worse than the North Luzon Expressway in my opinion. And on regular days, the Epifanio Delos Santos Avenue (EDSA) is the busiest thoroughfare in Metro Manila.
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 09:40 PM   #243
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Traffic in DC is downright is aweful. People say Atlanta traffic is bad, and it is, but it doesn't hold a candle to my hometown. The Capital and Baltimore Beltways are both jam packed. This is suprising given DC's big subway system.

THE WORST is when the Secret Service closes down the Beltway because the President needs to get back to his house from Andrew's Air Force Base.
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 10:08 PM   #244
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I drive in Manila quite often. It's kind of an adventure. Sometimes things are very smooth (Roxas Blvd. by the bay can be like this sometimes), and sometimes traffic stalls for hours (EDSA, SLE, and some of the other major roads suffer especially). But I almost always see something interesting when I drive around. Manila is a gigantic, interesting city.
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Old January 5th, 2007, 05:28 AM   #245
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Well, I can speak as someone from the US who has driven around a lot in my own country (NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, DC, Detroit, etc.), as well as Manila, Iloilo, and Cebu in the Philippines, Paris in France, Accra in Ghana, Toronto and Vancouver in Canada, and San Salvador in El Salvador - among other places. I've even driven a bit in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. And by 'driven,' I mean that I myself did the driving.

The 'worst' traffic depends on context, but overall, probably Manila. The reason is that, in that city, you have lots of congestion combined with lots of different vehicles sharing the road (pedestrians, too), combined with jeepneys constantly stopping and then merging back into traffic after picking up passengers, combined with a road network that is very uneven in quality. It can be intimidating for someone who has never driven there before. And being trapped on the EDSA for hours is very frustrating.

On the other hand, I ENJOY driving more in Manila than in other cities. If you are hungry, or bored in traffic, or need new slippers, or need some counterfeit DVDs, there are street vendors selling everything you could want, right at your window. I used to buy a newspaper, bottled water, and some snacks when traffic got really bad, and I'd have a small meal while I read the news. Manila radio can also be interesting, especially as you learn some Tagalog. You see a lot of interesting things while driving around town. Traffic is bad, but there is a sense of adaptation to the situation that makes it more bearable.


A place like Boston or NYC has much better road infrastructure, and driving is a lot more organized. Lots of signage, working traffic lights, lanes are painted on the road, laws are enforced, and there is a lot more order. It is easier for novices to drive there. But when you are stuck in a traffic jam, you are stuck. Nobody comes to sell you balut or kalamansi juice. In that sense, traffic is orderly but bleak and boring. I don't like that.

Paris has a mix of order and disorder. For example, the roundabout circling the Arc de Triomphe is much more chaotic than anything you'll find in Boston or NYC, but the city faces much of the same modern traffic dreariness on the major arteries, like the Peripherique ring road. Most tourists don't realize it, but the Paris metro region sprawls on and on for many kilometers in every direction. There is a lot of traffic. But for the most part, it's still an orderly driving experience.

Accra is interesting, since it is one of the most developed cities in west Africa. It actually has an extensive motorway network. The quality is variable. There are times when traffic is quite dense, and other times when it seems very light. Overall, the roads can be a bit dangerous (and the local newspapers regularly show the bloody results of traffic wrecks), but as far as African cities go, Accra's traffic isn't that bad.

San Salvador is in many ways a typical mid-sized Latin American city - lots of buses, heavy traffic in the central city, sometimes chaotic, but manageable with patience. The big variable there is carjacking and violent crime. If you talk to Salvadorans long enough, crime stories usually emerge. You have to be careful about WHERE you drive.

Port-au-Prince was near total chaos. I drove from the international airport to the Hotel Oloffson, through downtown and past the Marche de Fer (the 'Iron Market', but people actually sell everything there), then up the hills into Petionville. The area around the market was so full of pedestrians and vendors and traffic that it took about 30 minutes to move three blocks. People, bikes, chickens, colorful buses called 'tap-taps,' shared taxis, and UN military vehicles all jostle around in the unregulated streets. However, outside of downtown and a few choke points, Haiti's extreme poverty means that not many people own cars, and traffic is actually rather light. It's also dangerous due to a kidnapping trend in Port-au-Prince.

So, that's my take on things. But I do think that people who say the "worst" traffic is in the US or some other western country are simply incorrect. You should see more of the world. Go to a large, third-world city. Drive yourself around. I doubt you'll be comparing that to driving in the US anymore.
I used to drive in Metro Manila going to Ortigas Center particularly along C-5 and the sign to watch for is when you start to see peanut vendors and their carts roaming on the highway in anticipation for another long day on a road.
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Old January 5th, 2007, 06:31 AM   #246
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From what I've seen (in no order)

New York
Washington DC
Dubai
Toronto

Living in an area where the average commute time is only around 20 minutes, I feel a bit blessed. But the highways here are a ticking time bomb. The government here doesn't really put enough in public transportation and doesn't plan to widen any highways, bad combination.
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Old January 5th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #247
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This picture of Xiamen was in the news this morning, and reminded me of this thread.
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Old January 5th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #248
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I read that China has the highest death toll in car accidents in the world.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #249
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Old January 8th, 2007, 02:21 AM   #250
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I read a book about cities all over the world at Borders, and I noticed that traffic-clogged streets came up numerous times for cities in third world nations in weaknesses.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 03:27 AM   #251
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Worst traffic (personal & shared experiences)
I cant even imagine driving in that! Game over, we a tie! . Moscow and Mumbai

Mumbai

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Old January 14th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #252
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I read a book about cities all over the world at Borders, and I noticed that traffic-clogged streets came up numerous times for cities in third world nations in weaknesses.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 08:43 AM   #253
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Boston has some bad traffic. Moscow always backed up on Leningradskoye Shosse. All those trashy nouveau riche need to get to the dacha. May they all die sonless.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #254
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of the ones I have been to, Bangkok
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Old January 14th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #255
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Moscow WINS:


But at least there are lanes on the road, while Indian traffic planning is up to drivers' will !
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Old January 16th, 2007, 10:28 PM   #256
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Bad Traffic!!!

well i think traffic on the m25 going into london is the worstlol
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Old January 16th, 2007, 10:30 PM   #257
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moscow^^^^^^

yes thinking of it i lived in moscoz and trying to cross a 12 lane road with traffic like it is there is real scary!
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Old January 17th, 2007, 02:35 AM   #258
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This picture of Xiamen was in the news this morning, and reminded me of this thread.
cant imagine xiamen , a medium size city has a traffic gam.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 04:41 AM   #259
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ok traffic in mumbai is bad but not terrible its like anyother big dense city now that one street there is one of the streets thats always crowded at rush hr i konw cause i have been on that one like a lot
anyway they are improving on their lanes and its becoming better
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Old January 18th, 2007, 12:32 PM   #260
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