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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:23 AM   #121
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impossible isn't in china's vocabulary... the three gorges damn was built but it might not have been smartest solution to that problem. Rail connections are the best solution for them because of there population densities, lets face it china air aint exactly the safest... but will the maglevity be the best solution who knows... but they're gonna need our iron ore and gas to find out

it wont be viable for us for quite some time unfortunately
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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:32 AM   #122
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frozenzeus what about us brain dead slobs???
These new trains you speak of where they sent here by the devil??
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:08 AM   #123
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:11 AM   #125
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:41 AM   #126
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Max city to city with a HSR could be achieved in 3 hours from Central to SXS with teh right technology (at a cost! obviously).

SXS to Central by plane is a similar timeframe when you factor in 30 minutes to the airport at each end, 60 minute flight and 30 minutes before checkin. (thats 2 hours 30 minutes hours for those that were counting)

marginally faster by plane but also more prone to delays then the train would be.

when you factor in that we run 70 planes a day in each direction between Melbourne and Sydney (I think - any air experts please confirm) that is 14000 approximate capacity each way there is clearly patronage for a HSR running hourly between the two cities (or more regularly). throw in the benefits to the community of reduced greenhouse gas emissions, potential for development along the route at Albury and Canberra, using the line for Airport to City services in Melbourne adn Sydney and there is some real legs behind this.

there mightn't be enough to make it viable today but there will be in the future as patronage rises and carbon taxes come into force. HELL what is the value of a landing slot at Sydney Airport - freeing up 100+ landing/take off slots for other destinations by building a HSR could be worth a fortune when Sydney Airport hits capacity late next decade.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:13 AM   #127
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Max city to city with a HSR could be achieved in 3 hours from Central to SXS with teh right technology (at a cost! obviously).

SXS to Central by plane is a similar timeframe when you factor in 30 minutes to the airport at each end, 60 minute flight and 30 minutes before checkin. (thats 2 hours 30 minutes hours for those that were counting)

marginally faster by plane but also more prone to delays then the train would be.

when you factor in that we run 70 planes a day in each direction between Melbourne and Sydney (I think - any air experts please confirm) that is 14000 approximate capacity each way there is clearly patronage for a HSR running hourly between the two cities (or more regularly). throw in the benefits to the community of reduced greenhouse gas emissions, potential for development along the route at Albury and Canberra, using the line for Airport to City services in Melbourne adn Sydney and there is some real legs behind this.

there mightn't be enough to make it viable today but there will be in the future as patronage rises and carbon taxes come into force. HELL what is the value of a landing slot at Sydney Airport - freeing up 100+ landing/take off slots for other destinations by building a HSR could be worth a fortune when Sydney Airport hits capacity late next decade.
Yeah I think HSR could really work and it gives the chance to develop Canberra and Albury etc.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:30 AM   #128
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For sure it could work but there isn't the density or justification for the mammoth expense at the moment when bigger planes could be used between the airports with better cbd connections, and a simpler cheaper tilt train could work but it'll still be a 6 hour trip tho. These things need to be built in stages not all at once... maglav is too much of a stretch it would be cool as tho, but lets be realistic. Canberra could be a viable alternative 2nd airport to sydney tho with a high speed conection.

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SXS to Central by plane is a similar timeframe when you factor in 30 minutes to the airport at each end, 60 minute flight and 30 minutes before checkin. (thats 2 hours 30 minutes hours for those that were counting) marginally faster by plane but also more prone to delays then the train would be.
In the US where they fly everywhere.. the central station to central station benefits are so obvious it truly does boggle the mind as to why they persist with the planes
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:34 AM   #129
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what about us braindead slobs?
The Interstate Monotram couldn't go to Melbourne because the track would bend.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #130
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wel, just bild mor tunnelz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #131
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wel, just bild mor tunnelz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not just a tunnel.. but MAGLEV BUSWAY tunnelsssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONEONEONEONEONE111111
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Old October 7th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #132
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where the hell is munckei, this is totally right up his alley.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #133
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lol this thread is classic
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Old October 7th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #134
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where the hell is munckei, this is totally right up his alley.
He should ask Bruno, he has a maglev contraption that is also right up his alley.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 03:05 PM   #135
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I say build more busways. But instead of running regular buses, use AWESOME RETRO SPACE BUSES

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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:42 PM   #136
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The Interstate Monotram couldn't go to Melbourne because the track would bend.
Damn

ah well i don't care as long as i get a free leg of ham a month
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:46 PM   #137
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Maybe the beast woman from Chrisco can be the driver.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:56 PM   #138
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Nah, none of that. What we need nationwide is a network of underground conveyer belts, with stations where you descend a spiral staircase, then enter a door with the name of the destination above it and push a button to start the belt, like in one of the Rupert the Bear annuals.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #139
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city to city ya cant beat air planes...
Not true.
Time wise..

Depart Melbourne CBD

Melb city leave home -> Airport 30 min from CBD + $12 City link + $14 fuel.
So far $26 and 30 min = we just arrived at the Airport.

Train to sydney (350kl/h over 980kl = 3.5 hrs travel give or take)
Arrive SC station pay fare get on train ($120) -> train departs on time 5 min wait. And whats this? Leg room? is that leg room? Shit I can even stand up here, wtf is this?

Airport - pay for long term parking 24 hrs = (guessing $30)
So far total = 30 + 26 = $56
Pay for flight = $85
Total so far = 56 + 85 =$141
And we are yet to get to sydney ->boarding flight

Flight ready 30 min has passed.
Train is now Approaching border. (its had a 40 min head start on you. Albury is 340kl from Melbourne. As soon as this thing hit Craigiburn it hit top speed 350kl.h

Flight hits runway and pauses waits 5 min for Cathay pacific heavy departing late.

HST is passing Albury heading north.

Flight assumes runway and tales off circles back to North.
Flight passes Great Divide

HST is passing Wagga Wagga.

Flight passes train north of Junee.

Flight arrives at Sydney Airport no circling for space clearance its one in a century direct to Sydney. Flight lands..

Train approaches the Southern wall and plunges into a tunnel.
Your baggage takes 20 min. dum dee dumm...
Train Approaches Sydney's outer burbs.
You get your baggage and wait for the train to the city..5min.
How much does it cost? $5? $6?
total for flight = $147
total for train = $120
Both arrive at Sydney central the flight person is 20 min early.

Can't compete? pfft!
Imagine if the flight was delayed (common as Vegimite)
I have spent 4 hours getting a flight to Sydney.
Some have spent 6. Some never even got to go..

Had the train gone at 450 kl an hour, the flight person would be 30 min late. The train would have been past Albury before you even got your bum on a seat.
The big difference.
The train guy met a woman and did it in the toilet the whole way.
His legs are fine
His hips do not bear the impression of a seat brace.
He is relaxed. (and then some)
He was not served microwaved imitation bread.
He could pass gas without one or more of the flight crew listening through the vent in the door. Farting in a plane is user beware. Those toilets have the acoustics of a concrete closet - with a big hole cut in the door. The steel bowl has harmonics that resonate and amplify the sounds. You think its safe, a little one, a tiny squeak. The it comes, you try to control it and... !!HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD! its a freight train, do something - yodel, anything! The sounds rings in the toilet bowl, reverberates through the floor. The pilot, having felt the vibration, looks up, grins and states, wow that was a good one. You sucker up the courage, and walk back down the isle, looking to see if anyone heard. They all look away holding their hands slightly to their mouth, finger across the lip. An elderly women clears her throat..You blush...
Teh train guy walked to the bar car and ordered a meat pie - with sauce and had a beer.
The airport guy is thirsty. All that rushing around waiting...
The train guy has had free wireless internet the entire way and total 3g coverage. He has done his report and polished his notes on the train. He has had plenty of time. He grabs The Age a large spread for PT and reads in comfort. The flyguy is jammed between uncle fester and Mrs Mac. with only -2 inches to spare while knee man behind struggles with cramp and an overwhelming need to pass gas.

Give me the train, people die and trains and no one notices..
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Old October 8th, 2009, 01:15 AM   #140
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zomg good idea!!!!!!! but keep wagga wagga and the rest of qld and NSW in fare zone 1 victoria tasmania and SA as zone 2 and WA and NT as zone 3
Where does Ballina fit in??!?!??!?!
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