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Old August 25th, 2019, 08:07 PM   #1321
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That is too bad.

The cost to maintain it is probably prohibitive (without reading the article).
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Old August 25th, 2019, 08:25 PM   #1322
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With dwindling congregation sizes, I’m really not surprised. To borrow and change up an old saying, I didn’t leave the Church, the Church left me.
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Old August 25th, 2019, 08:45 PM   #1323
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This is where having some big evil multi-national developers to woo is great. They could build mid-rise mixed-use developments in the style. Those mini-farms down the street though. Wow.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 02:16 AM   #1324
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The cost of repair was estimated at $15M - and the building has some significant structural issues that make it unlikely that they can save it. It was only partially built to original specifications originally intending to have two towers - I wonder if that contributed to the issue.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 02:25 AM   #1325
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I'm not surprised and this is a growing trend. Several churches in Seattle have done similar things, sold off their old hard to maintain buildings, and sometimes built NEWER buildings. Granted the new buildings are generally not as beautiful or inspiring, but easier and cheaper to maintain. It's a decision to spend what few resources they have on their core mission and not just maintaining a "pretty building"...even if they have enough money and congregation, it just becomes a waste of money. In downtown Seattle Daniels Development took the old Byzantine style sanctuary on 5th (previously United Methodist) and spent a good deal to renovate the building, more than the original church could have afforded. The original church took the money and built a more conventional meeting site.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 05:38 AM   #1326
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With relatively few buildings of historical significance, losing one is unfortunate.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 05:56 AM   #1327
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I remember growing up and our parish saved enough money to build the basement of the new church so we then held mass there until enough was collected to finish a very nice traditional church. Then within 15 years the demographics changed so much they had to merge with another parish, sold the church to a Baptist congregation. Seemed like a righteous cause in the beginning only to have it end abruptly Guess it is a case by case thing but people get invested as part of their life experience and it is hard to let go.
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Old August 30th, 2019, 07:49 PM   #1328
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The parish is paring back its real estate
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Old September 7th, 2019, 06:31 PM   #1329
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Observations of the day. The new Marriott hotel in downtown Tacoma is dreadful. It would be even more tragic if not for the truly hideous monster casino across the freeway.
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Old September 7th, 2019, 08:48 PM   #1330
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What don't you like about it?

The pictures on the last page look ok.
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Old September 8th, 2019, 07:13 AM   #1331
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What don't you like about it?

The pictures on the last page look ok.


Which one? Hotel, or the casino?
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Old September 8th, 2019, 07:24 AM   #1332
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Old September 10th, 2019, 12:44 AM   #1333
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In upsetting news to anyone who appreciates 100+ year old architecture...

The Holy Rosary Catholic Church, which has towered over the I-5 corridor with its 210 foot spire, will be demolished...per the Archdiocese...

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/...234320667.html
It is very upsetting but thankfully the congregation and citizens are trying to raise some money to stop this from happening. Tacoma's mayor has said she wants to save the church too (not sure what kind of resources the city might have in saving it).

I would hate to see something this historic be lost. We have too few historic things already. It truly is a beautiful building that hosted a dedicated church for so many years. Hope it can be saved.

I'm doing some to have it saved as well. Every little bit helps.

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Old September 10th, 2019, 01:42 AM   #1334
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They've raised over $400,000 in a week. That and they've received material and labor pledges should the decision be reversed.

And there's a new Archbishop for the region...

Maybe Tacoma will save it?
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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:48 AM   #1335
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I'm so torn on this sort of "architecture" in relation to active churches. I agree the building is pretty and has history. But the church doesn't want it because not only the immediate repairs, but the ongoing costs dealing with it. The practical solution should be...sell it to a private buyer(s) if someone wants it. Or have the city of Tacoma buy it. Churches don't exist to be "architectural historic foundations". They have a role to serve (souls and bodies) and not just run "pretty buildings" for people to appreciate from their cars as they drive up I-5. IF they have the money and WANT to keep these old expensive to maintain buildings, NEAT!! But if they don't have the money, which they should be using to help the poor not just keep "pretty" buildings, then those who are upset about losing it should step up and buy it or keep it maintained (sounds like that's close to what's happening here, which is great!) But it's a tricky situation. This aren't museum organizations who's job is running historic sites, they're active churches. And these grand old buildings are VERY expensive to maintain.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 05:17 AM   #1336
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There's nothing wrong with the community going against the orthodoxy to preserve something that the community feels important.

A lot of the calculus when it comes to whether or not to save buildings like this comes down to community engagement and interest. Especially when it comes from these types of organizations.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 06:13 AM   #1337
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The thing that keeps going through my mind is why do people move away from beautiful buildings like this and instead choose buildings like the one in Bellevue?



I know it’s not a fair comparison at all given they are 40 miles apart and serve different populations and probably even different sectors of religion, but it does not seem fair at all. One building is stunning, while the other is (probably) a former big box store.

On the plus side the website for the Bellevue church says they will be moving out of that space end of 2019. Likely to make way for construction?
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Old September 10th, 2019, 09:42 PM   #1338
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One cost a vast amount of money to construct and was only possible because the Catholic church has a ton of money. The other used to be a Pep Boys. My guess is that Doxa church doesn't have the truly staggering financial resources the Catholic church has.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 11:54 PM   #1339
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And prior to being a Pep Boys it was a Good Guys electronics. And prior to that it was the John Danz movie theater. I'm going to guess the church is making use of the old sloped theater flooring for services. I'm sure that bldg is not long for this world.

The Catholic church rarely is forthcoming with money to preserve/save old church buildings no matter how beautiful. At its core its a money making enterprise and if a church is not making money it is jettisoned. I've seen it over and over again both here and in SF.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 02:54 AM   #1340
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The thing that keeps going through my mind is why do people move away from beautiful buildings like this and instead choose buildings like the one in Bellevue?
Perfectly summed up. Many/most churches do NOT EXIST to run "beautiful buildings". If the building is historic or architecturally interesting, that's a COOL thing. But that is NOT the point of a church. Choosing to have a "beautiful" building is not be their main purpose. I'd rather a church help the homeless and run out of a ugly strip mall than have a beautiful building and exist just for pomp and circumstance (but that's me). Yes there are a lot of historic (i.e. old) cathedrals just because of how old many of these institutions are (centuries). But that's the pro-con of it. They've been around for a while and therefore tend to occupy a lot of old buildings. And when the country was far more religious and the main core churches had more raw money (some still do, but not all) they loved building grand buildings in honor of their creator, to inspire awe, humbleness, etc. Led to some wonderful structures (Notre-Dame, Saint Peters, National Cathedral in DC, Blue Mosque in Istanbul, etc). But eventually unless you're a super cash rich church, these become drains on the organization.
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