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Old December 4th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #1
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Black Country Museum | Dudley | Extension | Appr.

A 1940s-1960s town will be created at the Black Country Museum.

Several key buildings are going to be relocated or reconstructed, including one that's of great joy to me:

The Elephant and Castle!, Wolverhampton, demolished unceremoniously by Peel Holdings


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Harris & Pearce, Brierley Hill


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Woodside Library, Dudley


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Gas Showroom, West Bromwich


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Parish's Restaurant, West Bromwich

William Griffin & Son, Cradley

Harris & Pearson Brickworks, Quarry Bank


There will be a new learning centre, possibly a bowling green, and the tram system will be extended to twice its size.

Article: http://www.expressandstar.com/entert...living-museum/

As Chief executive Andrew Lovett said:

“The buildings we have identified would be clustered and we have had great fun designing the streetscape. When was the last time someone got to design a town in the Black Country?"
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Old December 5th, 2016, 02:16 PM   #2
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A 1940s-1960s town will be created at the Black Country Museum.
I've always said they should reconstruct a Black Country tower block at the Black Country Museum - and here's the opportunity! Various flats could be modelled on how they'd have looked in the 50s or 60s and the top floor would have a 1960s-style restaurant with panoramic views over the museum and beyond. The rest of the floors could be used for storage, classrooms/lecture rooms etc. - or even an on-site retro concrete tower block hotel!
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Are any of those buildings from that era?

Also have there ever been any buildings relocated from Birmingham?
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Rolfe Street Baths was the closest I think.
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Old December 5th, 2016, 02:31 PM   #5
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Rolfe Street Baths was the closest I think.
I can think of a few in the city centre that would be better if they weren't in the way. Then again, it would be better for them to relocate them to the Jewellery Quarter.

I'd have thought post war architecture was what they would be looking at for this expansion.
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I've always said they should reconstruct a Black Country tower block at the Black Country Museum - and here's the opportunity! Various flats could be modelled on how they'd have looked in the 50s or 60s and the top floor would have a 1960s-style restaurant with panoramic views over the museum and beyond. The rest of the floors could be used for storage, classrooms/lecture rooms etc. - or even an on-site retro concrete tower block hotel!
This isn't serious is it?
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Old December 5th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #7
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This isn't serious is it?
Erm, yeah, sort of. Tower blocks were part of Black Country life in the 1960s, why not make one an attraction to see how people lived in them? I doubt it would happen though due to the scale.
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Erm, yeah, sort of. Tower blocks were part of Black Country life in the 1960s, why not make one an attraction to see how people lived in them? I doubt it would happen though due to the scale.
Well I wouldn't encourage any being built full stop, but next to the caste and so many other beautiful old buildings. No thanks.
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The castle sits way above the Black Country Museum so it would hardly block the view.

But if they're going to have an authentic 1940s-60s Black Country village they can't rely on the attractive Victorian buildings they normally have. I know a tower block is very unlikely but as it's a (living) museum it should always reflect on all aspects of Black Country life and housing etc. - both good AND bad.
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have there ever been any buildings relocated from Birmingham?
That would be a bit of a waste of time given how culturally distinctive life in the Black Country is. A building from Birmingham would stand out like a sore thumb given the enormous and striking cultural chasm between the Black Country and Birmingham.
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I don't think there is much difference. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the buildings are from different areas if they didn't actually know. Saying that, it's one area anyway. They both blend into one another.

The building on the corner of Ludgate hill and Lionel street could be in Dudley, Walsall or Wolverhampton. Ditto the buildings on new meeting street. They'd be better off moved to museum, or deeper into the JQ or Digbeth.
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I don't think there is much difference. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the buildings are from different areas if they didn't actually know. Saying that, it's one area anyway. They both blend into one another.

The building on the corner of Ludgate hill and Lionel street could be in Dudley, Walsall or Wolverhampton. Ditto the buildings on new meeting street. They'd be better off moved to museum, or deeper into the JQ or Digbeth.
Sorry, I was just gently ribbing the Butterfield viewpoint on Black Country cultural distinctiveness.
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I wouldn't build a whole towerblock (their main problem was maintenance, so we can't expect the museum to be able to fund that if councils couldn't). But I would build a show flat to show what life was like in them. MOSI has that showing what tech was in a 50s house.

Like it or not tower blocks are a HUGE part of 40s to 60s Black Country life and that needs to be portrayed in a living museum.

They could also take one of the prefabs that were built for war veterans as they're still standing all around Wolverhampton.

It would have been great if they could gave saved the King Arthur though...
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Old December 5th, 2016, 05:54 PM   #14
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Sorry, I was just gently ribbing the Butterfield viewpoint on Black Country cultural distinctiveness.
Funnily enough I hadn't said anything about that sort of thing in this thread, but now you mention it...

It's a Black Country museum, I'd expect a similar "living" museum in Birmingham to have mostly uniquely Birmingham buildings. That said, I don't think the Black Country Museum has strict boundaries as such when it comes to acquiring buildings but I doubt they were interested in purchasing the recently demolished Central Library.
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Funnily enough I hadn't said anything about that sort of thing in this thread, but now you mention it...

It's a Black Country museum, I'd expect a similar "living" museum in Birmingham to have mostly uniquely Birmingham buildings. That said, I don't think the Black Country Museum has strict boundaries as such when it comes to acquiring buildings but I doubt they were interested in purchasing the recently demolished Central Library.
I always thought it should be called 'The Culturally Distinctive Black Country Museum'

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'The museum of distinctive Black Country culture'
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Also - as part of this new extension there should be an installation about Brummie Imperialism, really human stories of domination and cultural distinctness.
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I'm not sure what's brought on your slightly bizarre recent posts but it's quite amusing!

By the way Badger, the title of this thread shouldn't say "Tipton", the Black Country Museum is in Tipton Road but is in Dudley, albeit right by the Sandwell border.
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Jeez does it matter and it does have a Birmingham phone code
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Are we not even allowed to point out innocent mistakes anymore? Would you be happy for all the Birmingham skyscraper threads to have the wrong heights and numbers of floors? If the Black Country Museum is in Tipton then Longbridge is in Bromsgrove! So does it matter? Not really, just as the whole country thinks Manchester is the second biggest city in the UK - but who cares? Only pedantic people would try and correct them.

And you know telephone codes mean nothing when it comes to these things. The 0121 number spans a number of boroughs, just as Wolverhampton's 01902 does and Dudley's 01384. For some reason the Black Country Museum uses 0121, obviously due to its closeness to Tipton, but it's certainly in Dudley Borough and is always credited as Dudley.
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Midlands Today news clip from May 2016 about the expansion:

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Published on 25 May 2016
A £20m plan to expand a major West Midlands tourist attraction has been revealed. Bosses at the Black Country Living Museum in Dudley want to increase its size by a third.

Proposals include creating a new 1940s'-style town complete with a pub and library. They also include moving the Tipton Road entrance to Castle Hill and linking the site with attractions such as Dudley Zoological Gardens. Museum chief executive Andrew Lovett said: "There's great opportunity to fulfil potential here.
"There's great opportunity to increase attendance and tell the story... the Black Country had a global impact, so why shouldn't the museum have a global impact?"

Bosses said 60 jobs would be created as a result of the expansion, while hundreds more short-term jobs would be created during construction.

Proposals include creating a new 1940s'-style town complete with a pub and library. Mr Lovett said the project would allow the museum to contribute an extra £3m to the local economy - taking the total up to £7m.

"There is no doubt we can help change perceptions of the town and the region and I think it needs that," he said.
"By creating a bigger and better museum there's a great opportunity."

The plans are subject to raising £18.9m required to do the work.
Investment is being sought from the West Midlands Combined Authority. The remainder will be achieved through fundraising activities.

24 May 2016
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