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Old June 7th, 2006, 07:02 PM   #21
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but there isnt any homes looking onto the site...are they not just more offices???
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Diving through Birmingham would be a very dismal affair if all of these roads were put in to tunnels. The last people would see of the city would be Lancaster Circus flyover, until they re-emerged on the Bristol Road at Holloway Circus. A lot of people who visit the city for the first time arrive via the A38(M) Aston Expressway, and to cover all these roads over with concrete tunnels would be a disaster. .

What are you goign on about? Who on earth takes a bad view of a city based on tunnles for cars. I relaly think we shoudl be putting pedestrian access far above driving pleasure
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but there isnt any homes looking onto the site...are they not just more offices???

Ludgate lofts on the corner
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Old June 8th, 2006, 01:56 AM   #24
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This area (Ludgate, Great Charles Street) is CRYING OUT for some tall buildings of 120m+. But we're not going to ******* well get any are we more's the pity.

Re: the issue with the wide (ex) Ringway at this point, it's always struck me as odd that the four lanes leading into the [dingy - and in utterly desperate need of complete recladding and re-lighting] Paradise Circus tunnels are actually more or less level whilst the lanes that avoid it on either side are steeply graded. Very San Francisco that is!.

Anyway, rather than make the road any narrower and thus create more traffic congestion, I feel that wide overpasses/bridges for pedestrians linking both sides once development schemes are underway would be the best solution. This has long been achieved in Glasgow City Centre where the terrifying M8 motorway skirts the western flank and literally carves its way around the city centre, cutting Sauchiehall Street in two. There are numerous overbridges passing across the TEN LANE WIDE M8 at this point but people don't seem to be so opposed to the sheer size of - and physical barrier created by - the urban motorway up there do they? Because it has been sunken to below street level. But once around this arc it then runs on stilts all the way towards the nightmarishly convoluted Townhead Interchange (Glasgow's own Spaghetti Junction - in fact, just one of several) near St Mungo's Cathedral - and yet nobody considers that an absolute eyesore! Interesting or what?
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Old June 8th, 2006, 04:27 AM   #25
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this is my idea. More in line with Shel's.

A wider connection is more pedestrian friendly than a bridge. Also brings more 'life' to the place. I would like to see somethnig similar to the likes of Old Square here.
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Old June 8th, 2006, 10:26 AM   #26
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Looks good to me!
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Old June 8th, 2006, 10:35 AM   #27
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nice idea butt it deffeats the idea of a slip road joining a high-speed road if you stop traffic on it!
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Old June 8th, 2006, 11:50 AM   #28
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thats what i can't get my head around, why does this road need to be high speed ? slow things down and give this street back to pedestrians, its the only way to reintegrate st.pauls square to the city....
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Old June 8th, 2006, 11:54 AM   #29
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Isn't it a 40mph road?
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Old June 8th, 2006, 11:57 AM   #30
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thats what i can't get my head around, why does this road need to be high speed ? slow things down and give this street back to pedestrians, its the only way to reintegrate st.pauls square to the city....
because now, with the down grading of the east side of the ringroad, this road has to take the strain of ALL through traffic int he city centre..... i dont thing people appreciate how much of an asset it is until you go to the likes on manchester etc..... i am all for the better integration with st pauls squarem, but not at the cost of downgrading this road.....

i agree with martin g here!
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Very nice Fusionist.
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Old June 8th, 2006, 12:47 PM   #32
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well if you have to have the road, then just stick some pedestrian crossings on it, the above looks fantastic, as i said, other city's manage to have major roads going through that are not just urban motorways ?
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woody, but isn't that what the tunnel is for ? high speed traffic. The traffic light, pedestrian crossing etc will be only on the two lanes, that can be downgraded to 'exits' while retaining the faster tunnel option.
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Nice idea there Fusionist - I can see how something like that would work in another city but probably not here in Brum. One other thing though, what the hell is a small version of the Pepsi Max Big One doing going across the ringway as well?
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Old June 8th, 2006, 08:57 PM   #36
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Hey.

I am positive it will look nice, a bit of TLC is in aid for that area. Hopefuly a bit of green, trees, some parks and some flowers, will spruce up the area and bring a a more pleasant atmosphere to it...Coz when I'm driving round that region its dull...
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Old June 8th, 2006, 09:34 PM   #37
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I don't see why they cannot slow the traffic down, it has to stop at Newhall Street anyway, so why would another crossing be a problem ?. Trying to rush traffic from one bottle neck to the next seems a bit pointless to me anyway.

They managed to sort out Masshouse Circus, Great Charles Street should be manageable surely ?
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Old June 9th, 2006, 12:39 AM   #38
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Why not move St Chad's to somewhere else?
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Old June 16th, 2006, 09:59 AM   #39
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yet more titilation

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Key city centre site will link Quarter
Jun 16 2006


Work on a £100 million redevelopment of a prime Birmingham city centre site off Great Charles Street will begin early next year, developers announced last night.

HBG Properties, which is believed to have paid more than £25 million for the derelict two-acre site, said a mixed-use scheme including offices, housing and car parking would be completed by 2010.

The project will also involve building a new footbridge across Great Charles Street, connecting the city centre and the Jewellery Quarter.

The land, which consists of surface-level car parks, was to have been the home for Birmingham's new coach station. It was remarketed by the council after the coach station plans fell through.

Ken Hardeman Birmingham cabinet member for regeneration, said: "HBG's track record and resources mean this site will finally be regenerated after years in the doldrums. I'm particularly pleased that the scheme will enable a major improvement to the footbridge over Great Charles Street.

"The capital receipt will enable opportunities to address connectivity to the Jewellery Quarter in innovative ways."


HBG's schemes have included Birmingham Great Park and the construction of buildings at Brindleyplace.


Regional director Peter Burford said: "HBG Properties is delighted to have been chosen.


"We intend to create a building worthy of the prominence of this site, and will be working hard over the next few weeks to conclude the formalities, before sitting down with the planners.


"We are keen to incorporate ecologically advanced design."
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That's good news - HBG must have something in mind already, and they have a good track record. And £100m! That's something along the lines of The Cube!

I would like us all to make an agreement - if we don't like what they propose, be it of poor quality, not adventurous enough or inappropriate, we should object when it goes to planning. Sound ok?
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