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Old October 5th, 2019, 11:46 PM   #24361
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Could building a full freeway intersection at South Terrace (Como) take some of the pressure off Mill Point Road and Canning Bridge?
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Old October 6th, 2019, 06:05 AM   #24362
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Could building a full freeway intersection at South Terrace (Como) take some of the pressure off Mill Point Road and Canning Bridge?
Its not designed for that and the local pressure on roads will be enormous in a sensitive area for residents. Not too mention its a wetland area so no room to make any changes to the river side area
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Old October 6th, 2019, 10:53 AM   #24363
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Anything you want, provided it’s not offensive. It can have ties to a specific WA person, animal or object, or something more personal with a touching backstory. You are also welcome to include an explanation about why you chose the name. But please, no Boaty McBoatface or Ferry McFerryface.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 11:38 AM   #24364
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Also the fact that The Narrows is the only crossing point over the river until you get to Fremantle for all the traffic travelling from the northern or southern suburbs. It's what makes it one of the busiest stretches of road in the country. Add in the traffic that joins from Mill Point Rd and you have an area that is very prone to tail backs. When the The Narrows was just one bridge way back in the 1980's it would often come to a standstill at the slightest problem. It's the same now.

Until they build a second river crossing such as the proposed Stephenson Fwy from Osborne Park to Stock Rd the problem will always remain. Especially these days when there are tail backs heading north and south into The Narrows from about half 3 / 4pm through to about half 6 in the evening.
Increased and better public transport would help as freeway capacity always eventually fills up. Wonder what would happen if they closed Mill Point Road on ramps and built that proposed Berwick Street to Plain Street bridge?
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Old October 7th, 2019, 12:50 AM   #24365
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So Ferry McBoatface is good?
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Old October 7th, 2019, 01:13 AM   #24366
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So Ferry McBoatface is good?
How old are you?
Are you a joker?

No! - see bold below... actually does the FAQ section actually specifically say "no Boaty McBoatface or Ferry McFerryface " ??

Anyway imo these two names are perthatic and stupid. there i said it.. no seriously I don't like those names so i hope the FAQ section actually said no to those names...

Besides these names have already been used on other vessels, they should not be used again. Use local names not interstate names.

Boaty McBoatface
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Old October 7th, 2019, 02:25 AM   #24367
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Increased and better public transport would help as freeway capacity always eventually fills up. Wonder what would happen if they closed Mill Point Road on ramps and built that proposed Berwick Street to Plain Street bridge?
?? That would be a hell of a bridge through Herrison Island! Plenty of upgrading to the causeway to be done before they would even consider that.

But yes - improved PT is essential. As much as I want to stick it to the SP Nimbys - there really should be a station on that stretch (however - the location where there is a gap in the tracks for it is not ideal as it is next to Richardson Park / Royal Perth Golf Club... so the PedShed - that is already extremely hampered by the freeway and the fact one side of the freeway is river - is hampered even more). Ideal location would be at the end of Mill Point Road / Bowman Street (South Perth Station) - much closer to population centre and attractions; and maybe another down at the end of Preston St (Como Station)- but they will never happen due to the disruption to the freeway / likely having to build out into the river (and even building the station where it is proposed / where space has been left for it will result in a lot of disruption to the freeway anyway).
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Old October 7th, 2019, 05:59 AM   #24368
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Train station on over the river. Upped my fantasy of a perth underground.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 08:33 AM   #24369
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?? and maybe another down at the end of Preston St (Como Station).
Honestly the priority for a station on the Peninsula should be a Como station around the Preston St area. It would serve an existing centre, a larger population with less of the catchment taken up by parkland, and would be more competitive with existing transport options for a greater proportion of residents. CoSP are also somewhat less anti-development around the Como area so it probably has greater short-term transit-oriented development prospects. A Como station wouldn't need to be as large as the other Mandurah Line stations as it would be primarily pedestrian oriented, so it should be possible to accommodate with a bit of freeway widening and a bridge connection like Leederville.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 10:35 AM   #24370
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How old are you?
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No! - see bold below... actually does the FAQ section actually specifically say "no Boaty McBoatface or Ferry McFerryface " ??

Anyway imo these two names are perthatic and stupid. there i said it.. no seriously I don't like those names so i hope the FAQ section actually said no to those names...

Besides these names have already been used on other vessels, they should not be used again. Use local names not interstate names.

Boaty McBoatface
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The name I quoted isn't listed so should be good.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 11:17 AM   #24371
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What ever happened to the idea of building a tunnel between Dalkeith and i forget where...
The Stock Rd Tunnel was first proposed in the draft Perth & Peel @3.5 Million plan released by the previous Liberal government released in May 2015 (yes, 4 years ago!). Back in Nov 2016, amateur photo-editing me compiled all the Road, Freight and Public Transport maps from the transport component onto a single file (Stock Rd Tunnel in bottom-left corner):
After Web-Archive-Surfing, I found the full plan prior to messing around by the McGowan Government: https://web.archive.org/web/20170219...Plan__full.pdf
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Old October 7th, 2019, 01:42 PM   #24372
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Not meaning to double post, but I don't like over-editing original posts too much; I've redone the diagram compilation in a slightly smaller size and with more of the diagrams:
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Old October 7th, 2019, 03:30 PM   #24373
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Ah the old 2015 P&[email protected] Million Plan, the graphics might be better but it was functionally as in-depth as the original MS Paint Metronet Plan. It took the community submissions and review for them to figure out that the orbital rail link should actually connect Morley to Bayswater, and no matter which version you look at "Booragoon" is at least 2.5 km from actual Booragoon (though I prefer the route shown as it's more direct). There are random water-crossings everywhere including a Joondalup Lake bridge that wouldn't be controversial at all, and what I can only assume is a car sized AQWA tunnel for Riverside Drive. There's a High frequency bus network that's about as extensive as what we've got now, though I think this may have been start of the current network so credit there.

And of course the Stock road tunnel which inconspicuously starts just north of Canning Hwy even though Stock Rd is just a narrow suburban street through Palmyra and Melville, residents will be thrilled. Realistically any Stock road freight route is going to be at least 18.5 km of works from O'Connor through to Stirling and the Freeway, it's thoroughly in NSW's "Westconnex" territory for funding requirements and would definitely be tolled which is WA electoral poison. I'm not saying the broad strokes of the plan were abjectly terrible it's just that this was a fairly superficial document despite it's planning time, but it's got a nice colour scheme though.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 12:20 PM   #24374
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At least it was a plan.

We don't have one anymore except for Metronet which only deals with rail lines and rail lines that have already been planned so actually nothing new.
Nothing about busses.
Nothing about light rail.
Nothing about cycling.
Nothing about roads.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 01:01 PM   #24375
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Presumably they are using the labor-ified version of Perth and Peel @ 3.5 million.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 01:27 PM   #24376
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Presumably they are using the labor-ified version of Perth and Peel @ 3.5 million.
Yes indeed-y! Sometime late 2017-2018, the then-new McGowan government messed about with the P&[email protected] plans and duly removed the cycling section and road/freight plan as well as dutifully inserting MetroMcGowanet into it. There is light rail indeed still in there, but no buses, roads or cycling. And it's also much more boring-looking. Also to note, the Liberal plans actually had a Morley-Ellenbrook TUNNEL planned prior to the Bayswater connection. A lot of things were stuffed by the Liberals, but their P&[email protected] plan wasn't one of them.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 02:44 PM   #24377
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The Labor P&[email protected] has a network of "High Priority Transit Routes" and "High Frequency Routes" running along nearly every major road between centres. It's just a vague overview though and there's no detail on what any of it means or any sort of time frame for implementation. Presumably the "High Frequency Routes" are just upgraded bus routes, but the "High Priority Transit Routes" overlap with a lot of the proposed Light Rail routes and the existing High frequency Bus network and could be anything really, Bus lanes, BRT, Light Rail, Trackless Trams that weird thing the media keeps bringing up.

It's pretty obvious that the government just modified the plan to add their election commitments and then moved on, who knows when/if we'll see a new comprehensive plan for the future.
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PTA 2018/19 Annual Report is now available

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Old October 10th, 2019, 10:25 AM   #24379
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The project website for the Caledonian Ave crossing has been updated and it seems as though it’s just going to be closed

Caledonian Avenue level crossing in Maylands was recognised as one of four crossings to remove as part of METRONET.

When the Forrestfield-Airport Link is operational, the five-minute peak frequency on the Midland Line will see longer times for the boom gates to be down.

This will increase the potential for risk taking behaving at the crossing, as well as impact the local road network.

The Caledonian Avenue Level Crossing Removal project is currently in the early stages of planning and reviewing options. This includes working closely with the City of Bayswater and key stakeholders to ensure the removal meets the community’s needs as much as possible.

The preferred solution will be identified before the Forrestfield-Airport Link services become operational.

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Initial assessments have ruled out elevating or lowering the railway as it would require a rebuild of Maylands Station and other key infrastructure, which would not represent value for money for this project.

Elevated or lowered road solutions are being investigated with City of Bayswater and Main Roads WA, but are challenging due to constrained space and lack of State owned land along the railway reserve in this area.

Closing the level crossing is also being investigated but may require adjustments and improvements to the nearby road network.

The preferred removal solution will be identified in consultation with key stakeholders and will consider community and road impacts, as well as urban development opportunities


https://www.metronet.wa.gov.au/proje...edonian-avenue
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Old October 10th, 2019, 10:39 AM   #24380
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Closing the level crossing and re-directing the traffic to the 7th Avenue bridge or the State Route 55 bridge in the other direction seems to be the likely outcome here (the alternatives requiring either a rebuild of Maylands station at great cost or acquiring properties to allow something similar to the 7th Avenue bridge to be built)
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