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Old October 15th, 2019, 11:32 AM   #1561
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Small development on the High St with PP applied to turn the formal Co-op Bank/Britannia Building Society unit (most recently known as the 'Halloween Shop/Calendar Shop) on the corner of Gandy St and the High St into a coffee shop.

However, the PP includes outside seating on the High St - blocking the throughfare on the undercover section of the High St between SportsDirect and Urban Outfitters. I can't see that being approved as it'll force more people to walk in the road - blocking buses and it's also not unreasonable to suspect that the other side of the road will be blocked shortly once work starts on the redevelopment/refurbishment of the House of Fraser building.

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Old October 15th, 2019, 12:18 PM   #1562
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I agree. That application won't be approved. The best end solution would be to stop buses going up and down the high street. This council is currently going overdrive proclaiming to be a carbon neutral eco friendly council but yet we have these dirty smelly diesel buses chugging up and down the high street choking the air.
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Old October 19th, 2019, 10:24 PM   #1563
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Yeah, electric buses would be a great improvement.
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Old October 19th, 2019, 11:08 PM   #1564
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It may be repetitve - but that's Ok in this case, but I feel you should re-visit the possible pedestrianised idea, with buses at South Street and Sidwell Street (also for some new Ssc members too) Maybe with a clear simple map of how it could work. These sort of ideas should be re-aired every so often or they get forgotten. I am not so sure of how it could work...particularly with the new proposals at the bus station and Paris Street.

Someone who knows the area and bus movements could draw up a simple map that could be kept for reference. A really good idea could be sent to those in the Council. I have had success this way! But with the proposals, it could be more difficult now.
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Old October 19th, 2019, 11:26 PM   #1565
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Exeter is a long way of electric buses, especially seeing as the Stagecoach have just invested in a new fleet of vehicles for the inner city Exeter services. If the council were serious about electirc buses, then they would of built charging provisions into bus bays at the new bus station. This would allow the longer distance services to charge will unloading/loading passengers. Optare, the manufaturer of Stagecoaches local fleet withing Exeter do make an electric version of the bus used in Exeter with the same seating arrangements and physical dimensions. When the local Exeter fleet for the E, F1, F2 etc. come for replacement then we will have to see what buses are bought. A fleet replacement seems pretty likely within the next 5-8 years as buses on inner city services get hammered. You have only got to listen to one of the engines under load to tell that it is not healthy. The afore metioned bus has an estimated range of 150+ miles in winter with the heating enabled. The range is not an issue, its how quick the lead footed drivers can get through a charge on a local route.
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Old October 19th, 2019, 11:33 PM   #1566
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It may be repetitve - but that's Ok in this case, but I feel you should re-visit the possible pedestrianised idea, with buses at South Street and Sidwell Street (also for some new Ssc members too) Maybe with a clear simple map of how it could work. These sort of ideas should be re-aired every so often or they get forgotten. I am not so sure of how it could work...particularly with the new proposals at the bus station and Paris Street.

Someone who knows the area and bus movements could draw up a simple map that could be kept for reference. A really good idea could be sent to those in the Council. I have had success this way! But with the proposals, it could be more difficult now.
With all due respect, I think the idea of Sidwell Street being pedestrianised is a poor one. The current bus route cannot work without running through Sidwell Street. The only option is too by pass Sidwell Street via Longbrook Street and Union road. All passengers wishing to board or get off at Sidwell Street would need to do so in the High Street creating a serious foot traffic congenstion issue. Those wanting to access Sidwell Street would need to cross the road at the already busy Eastgate junction therefore increasing foot traffic congestion at the crossing.
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Old October 20th, 2019, 12:04 PM   #1567
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No, I meant pedestrianised like a piazza in the High Street (and the narrows) between S Street and Sidwell Street with both of those as bus terminating. It has been aired here before, but whether or not it would involve to much walking or inconvenience I'm not sure?
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Old October 20th, 2019, 12:56 PM   #1568
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No, I meant pedestrianised like a piazza in the High Street (and the narrows) between S Street and Sidwell Street with both of those as bus terminating. It has been aired here before, but whether or not it would involve to much walking or inconvenience I'm not sure?
Could work if planned properly. Electric buses in Exeter will happen, but not anytime soon.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 01:27 PM   #1569
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As requested, here was the Exeter City Centre bus routes idea of mine from a few years ago. Basically the High Street pedestrianised, and South Street/Fore Street & Sidwell Street/Paris Street at either ends being used as hubs for local bus services.

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Re electric buses; yes they would be welcome. It wouldn't compensate for my wish for the High Street to be pedestrianised though. The narrow section of the High Street is not a pleasant experience with buses creeping up and down the street. Its an accident waiting to happen. Plus I believe the presence of buses would cause serious problems if they ever choose to develop some of the post war horrors such as M&S, Tesco, and Burger King buildings.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:00 PM   #1570
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As requested, here was the Exeter City Centre bus routes idea of mine from a few years ago. Basically the High Street pedestrianised, and South Street/Fore Street & Sidwell Street/Paris Street at either ends being used as hubs for local bus services.

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Re electric buses; yes they would be welcome. It wouldn't compensate for my wish for the High Street to be pedestrianised though. The narrow section of the High Street is not a pleasant experience with buses creeping up and down the street. Its an accident waiting to happen. Plus I believe the presence of buses would cause serious problems if they ever choose to develop some of the post war horrors such as M&S, Tesco, and Burger King buildings.
I don't understand why everyone wishes for streets to be pedestrianised. It literally makes it more difficult to catch a bus. Also, the bridge over summerlane has not made any progress.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 07:31 PM   #1571
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My argument for pedestrianizing the high street are:

- Pollution
- Proximity of buses to pedestrians on the narrow section of the street
- To enable potential development of M&S, Tesco, Burger King, etc.

I don't buy the excuse that catching a bus will be difficult. Traffic free it would probably take five minutes to walk one end of the street to the other.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 10:19 PM   #1572
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Overall I am for it...assuming it is practible for the reasons given.. I'm not sure how the new Paris Street development - hotel/Civic Centre etc will affect it?
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 11:45 AM   #1573
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Yeah I think the council have completely other ideas. They are making noises about pedestrianizing South Street and Paris Street.
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 11:46 AM   #1574
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Teeny-tiny bit of news about the Services at the top of Haldon Hill.

So, 2 years ago PP was granted for a Costa Coffee and MacDonalds drivethru on top of Haldon Hill next to the existing Garage/Route 5 restaurant.

Nothing has happened since then. However, MacDonalds have now just submitted PP for new signage to be displayed there as well - so looks like they're building up to start work on the development shortly.

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And..

Driving over Haldon Hill over the weekend, I noticed work has now started on site for this.

I still think this is potentially an accident waiting to happen - you'll be getting more westbound traffic turning off/on at the Racecourse exit to use Macdonalds/Starbucks and then trying to get back onto the A38 there as well - and as someone who's used that junction a few times, I've had a few near misses myself turning onto the A38 there....
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 11:52 AM   #1575
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Plans to turn Exeter’s ambulance station into student flats have been revealed. The Watkin Jones Group have put forward plans that would see the existing buildings opposite Waitrose on Gladstone Road demolished and replaced with a five storey student flats block.

The scheme proposes 154 bedspaces in a mixture of studios and cluster flats – 37 studios and 117 cluster rooms – and a ‘quality landscape scheme to replace the Ash tree on Gladstone Road that would be cut down.

The South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust has previously confirmed that the Exeter ambulance station in Gladstone Road is being sold with the sale said to be ‘progressing’ and that they are in the process of identifying a suitable alternative site in Exeter.

Leader of Exeter City Council, Cllr Phil Bialyk, recently said new student flats blocks in Exeter should include accommodation for everyone and that they have been talking to developers about its proposals for co-living to create balanced and sustainable communities in the city centre.

But no reference to whether co-living should be considered as part of the application in made in a statement prepared by the Watkin Jones Group.

It says that they intend to secure planning permission, build and then operate the development, saying that it is a very real opportunity to secure, in the short term, the delivery of well-managed purpose-built student accommodation in a very sustainable location within the immediate vicinity of St. Luke’s Camp

The student accommodation would be managed by Fresh Student Living (Fresh), who are part of the Watkin Jones Group, and who currently operate student flats at Queen Street studios on Queen Street; Cricket Field Court on Prince of Wales Road and The Barn at Cheeke Street.

A planning statement adds: “The site is in an ideal location for student accommodation, given its location in close proximity to Exeter University’s St Luke’s campus. The student accommodation would be managed by Fresh Student Living (Fresh), part of the Watkin Jones Group, specialising in offering student management services.

“Management staff, security staff, and / or wardens would be on hand 24 hours a day, seven days a week to address any concerns raised by occupants of the building or members of the public and the creation of purpose-built student accommodation has the benefit of ensuring that students live in a highly managed environment.”

To prevent problems of anti-social behaviour, such as noise and nuisance, and in order to protect the amenity of neighbouring residents, particularly those on Sandford Walk, the external courtyards would be closed at 10pm each night.

There would be no car parking provision at the site but there would be 84 secure, covered cycle parking spaces, and a crossing point across Gladstone Road towards Waitrose, and the proposed development would use Combined Heat and Power (CHP) and boilers as a main source of heat for hot water, the application says.

The statement recognises that there are some areas of the city that are unbalanced with regards to the amount of student accommodation, but it says: “This is not one of them. It was recognised in discussions with politicians prior to the submission of this application that this is not an area that suffers from overconcentration.

“The provision of purpose-built student accommodation would actually provide the chance to improve community balance in the area by helping to halt the conversion of traditional housing to HMOs to meet the on-going demand for increased accommodation for an expanding university and to release existing student HMOs to the general housing market, which in turn would ease pressure on existing family housing.”

It adds: “There is considerable and on-going need for purpose-built student accommodation in Exeter. It is recognised that there has been a significant increase in purpose-built student accommodation in Exeter over the last few years, but this has only responded to the increase in student numbers, meaning that the number of student HMOs has stayed virtually static.

“The close proximity of the application site to Exeter City Centre means that future residents would have excellent access by walking, cycling and public transport to the city’s shop, services and facilities.

“In conclusion, there are no planning policy or technical reasons not to approve the application. The application has significant benefits for the growth of Exeter University and Exeter’s economic prosperity.”

Exeter City Council’s planning committee will determine the fate of the application at a later date.
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Old October 24th, 2019, 02:48 PM   #1576
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They're almost definitely not going to, but if I were the Council on this one, I'd insist on S166 contributions to upgrade the junction of Heavitree Road/Gladstone Road. This junction make no serious provision for pedestrians crossing between St Lukes campus and Waitrose - and this is going to get worse with the various different student apartment developments going up on that side of the road.

Hopefully when the developers move into the old Police Station to, I would strongly suspect, build more student rooms there, they also remodel that junction as well.
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Old October 24th, 2019, 04:04 PM   #1577
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Yeah I had a look through the D&A Statement yesterday for this one. I didn't see any mention about works to the highways no. The statement did touch upon the masterplan for the police and magistrates site however, which it stated 'is being developed by a separate party' but it did indicate pedestrian links through the site from the existing streets behind the police station through to Heavitree Road forming three blocks. Its no secret the police station is to be developed but I sort of always presumed the magistrates court would remain. I've certainly seen no indication of a new magistrates court in the city. I don't think there is one included in the Middlemoor police station either. Oh and the render above which I borrowed from Devonlive...that was one of the concept designs. Its not the proposed design. The proposed design is brickwork rather than white render (thankfully).
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My argument for pedestrianizing the high street are:

- Pollution
- Proximity of buses to pedestrians on the narrow section of the street
- To enable potential development of M&S, Tesco, Burger King, etc.

I don't buy the excuse that catching a bus will be difficult. Traffic free it would probably take five minutes to walk one end of the street to the other.
In my opinion, only the last point actually matters. The narrow point in the high street has always been an issue but accidents are very rare and to be honest, people should just look before they cross. Pollution may be decreased but it will still be thrown into the atmosphere not matter where the buses are in Exeter.
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Old October 30th, 2019, 04:12 PM   #1579
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And...

Moor Exchange Retail park is coming back again (for the 4th time).

This one is understandable though - when PP was refused in the summer (alongside 2 other applications in Sowton) the councillors didn't actually give a reason for refusal after Planners had already recommended it for approval.

https://www.devonlive.com/whats-on/s...exeter-3480703
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Old October 31st, 2019, 12:50 PM   #1580
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I thought they turned the previous scheme down because they wanted more of a local shopping centre than a retail park as such? I see Next would have a new store in this revised application. I don't think Next really come under the local shopping centre remit and I still don't see why the city needs three Next stores. If it's a proviso for the city centre Next store to perhaps close then I would rather they refuse this revised application too.
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