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Old October 13th, 2019, 11:23 AM   #441
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BusConnects obviously isn't included in that but it will see major investment in cycling and the creation of a cycling network which would not be possible as standalone cycling projects. You will also get incremental improvements through small Local Authority projects happening separately.
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BusConnects obviously isn't included in that but it will see major investment in cycling and the creation of a cycling network which would not be possible as standalone cycling projects. .
Isn't that a conditioned reaction?

We are used to and accept as normal the idea that widening or building roads must involve some CP of property. So we get a disconnected hodge podge of cycle lanes where new roads are built or older ones get a major upgrade.

Thus we often get the most extensive off-road cycle networks in far-flung developing suburbs - where they will get less use per km than anywhere in the existing city and inner suburbs - and it is in these more central areas that cycle tracks are also most likely to be used by commuters to replace cars (or buses)

Yet we never consider "stand-alone" cycling infrastructure"!

If bus connects is doomed due to local opposition (probable) why not simply proceed with an improved cycling element in order to provide high-quality lanes totally separated from traffic and pedestrians?

It will be expensive and disruptive to the status quo and the nimbys in the leafy inner suburban arteries - but much less so and more flexible than with the bus lanes added.

Some of the money saved on the bus infrastructure and road engineering could go to providing elevated cycle/pedestrian crossings at junctions and choke points.

But that would be to prioritise cycling and walking seriously - by putting capital investment into a cycle network that would result in an explosion of cycling/walking.

(and have the added benefit of allowing the complete banning of cyclists from certain roads - as they currently are from motorways
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Old October 14th, 2019, 10:46 AM   #443
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If you suggesting just creating cycle routes along public roads but not addressing buses and other traffic, that isn't going to work. You aren't going to be able to create a sufficiently segregated cycle route along a road. Cyclists will have to interact with other traffic and this is not a problem if the infrastructure is designed to accommodate such interactions.

BusConnects is the right approach, examine everything together and redesign with priority given to buses and cyclists. If BusConnects were revised to BikeConnects, it wouldn't reduce the cost by much at all as you still need all the roadspace redesign and additional land take to make it possible. You would however encounter a far greater level of opposition.

The standalone cycle route projects have been along already segregated routes such as a disused rail line or a body of water (the sea, river, canal). These have been successful because they haven't had to deal with anything like the same level of traffic interactions.
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Old October 14th, 2019, 01:57 PM   #444
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You aren't going to be able to create a sufficiently segregated cycle route along a road. Cyclists will have to interact with other traffic and this is not a problem if the infrastructure is designed to accommodate such interactions.

If BusConnects were revised to BikeConnects, it wouldn't reduce the cost by much at all as you still need all the roadspace redesign and additional land take to make it possible. You would however encounter a far greater level of opposition.
I don't agree. There would be considerable cost savings - two bus lanes is a lot of space to free up on these roads. It also gives vastly greater flexibility to the designers to overcome the nimby problem.

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I 100% support Bus Connects - as proposed. It's just that there no way the most crucial sections - through the inner-suburban arterial roads - having a chance in hell of making it past the nimbys. So we must deal with reality (myself I'd be happy enough to declare a transport/climate emergency and bulldoze the entire required network through - no objections entertained) But that's not reality either!

This is a fairly solid forecast - just look at the Beechwood fiasco, or the anesthetised-snail speed of progress in closing level crossings on commuter rail routes (Maynooth line; Merrion Gates)
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Old October 15th, 2019, 12:02 AM   #445
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I don't agree. There would be considerable cost savings - two bus lanes is a lot of space to free up on these roads. It also gives vastly greater flexibility to the designers to overcome the nimby problem.
So you want to get rid of bus lanes and replace them with cycle lanes!? Just lump buses and other traffic in together in the remaining space?
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So you want to get rid of bus lanes and replace them with cycle lanes!? Just lump buses and other traffic in together in the remaining space?
Read what I said, would ya?
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Good progress being made here, part of the bridge already in place over the rail line.
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