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Old September 28th, 2019, 03:20 AM   #1121
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Which is sort of ironic, given that NWHL was designed by Populous.
Hmmm... touche...
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Old September 28th, 2019, 03:49 AM   #1122
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I like the Populous one as it looks like it could become as iconic as the San Siro.

However, I do prefer the internal design of the other bid.

But dont kid yourselves, this is Italy we are talking about, so dont be surprised it gets tied up in red tape for about 10+ years.
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Old September 28th, 2019, 05:14 AM   #1123
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Development of the San Siro area -- Economic and technical feasibility study

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Feasibility study 10th July 2019: AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milan submitted the “Technical and Economical Feasibility Proposal for the regeneration of the San Siro Area”, including the construction of the Milan Stadium and the related multi-purpose district, to the Municipality of Milan pursuant to the so-called "Stadia Act" (Law 147, Year 2013).
Provisional public interest declaration Within 90 days, the Municipality of Milan shall provide its opinion.
Final Plan If the proposal is deemed valuable for the Municipality, the clubs shall draft a Final Plan including all architectural features and including any potential addition and amendment as requested by the Public Administration.
Declaration of public use Within 120 days, an inter-departmental conference shall decide on the Final plan. If the outcome is positive, the Public Administration shall declare the public use, amending the urban plan.

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Old September 28th, 2019, 03:08 PM   #1124
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The City of Milan are likely to delay their decision over whether to declare a public interest in Inter and AC Milan’s new stadium beyond the original date of 10th October, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.

The delay is a result of a meeting between Nerazzurri representative Mark Van Huuksloot, Rossoneri representative Domenico Barile and municipal councillors following the public presentation.

The city council is asking for an in-depth examination of the demolition of the current San Siro, as well as the costs and times expected for the construction. Inter and Milan are not opposed to the delay as long as it is not excessive and allows the project to move forward swiftly.

The Municipality’s Democratic Party leader Filippo Barberis said: “The restructuring project of the San Siro presented by the teams is inconvenient because it is expensive and long. There would be a suspension of matches for four years.

“We want to understand why this idea has been taken into account and not others that have been discussed in the past, which are less expensive and will take a shorter amount of time. There must be no doubt that this solution has been proposed because it is functional to the demolition of San Siro.”
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Old September 29th, 2019, 01:34 PM   #1125
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Four years non match in Milan?
Is it a joke?
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Old September 29th, 2019, 02:54 PM   #1126
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AC Milan and FC Inter Milan, during the presentation of the two proposals (Populous, Manica-Progetto CMR), made an intro by saying that the restructuring of Meazza would cause the suspension of the matches for 4 years. This means that the clubs, in the meantime, had to play in Turin, Bergamo or Verona. Along with creating long-term issues with the fans. Furthermore, a renovation would have changed the overall aspect (no more the same "iconicity" that it now has). During the renovation phase: the reduction in the stadium capacity would entail a huge loss in revenues for both clubs, with an overall estimate of 115 million euros. At the end of the renovation: the capacity would not be higher than 58,000 seats, with only 6,500 premium seats, limiting revenues as compared to a brand new stadium, according to the their study. These are the reasons why they want to build a new stadium in the nearby area and then demolish the Meazza.


Red = Demolition; Blue = Reconstruction; Purple = New construction; Yellow = Refurbishment.
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Old September 29th, 2019, 03:51 PM   #1127
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I don't like the Populous project because the lower tier is so little compared to the rest and there are holes in the stadium where you can see the outside (like Roma's new stadium).
If prefer “The Rings of Milan” design by Manica.

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Old September 30th, 2019, 02:31 AM   #1128
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Alternative site - Former industrial area Falck (north Milan).
According to the Italian press, the clubs would pick this location if the San Siro proposal does not go ahead.




The site extends over an area of 1.4 million square meters. The owners are planning a vast and profound redevelopment operation, which should also give the birth to a public park of 650,000 sqm. It is a project that is stratified with the presence of various typologies of buildings (public, private and mixed) with different uses (residential, offices, retail, hotels, entertainment, school, healthcare center). MilanoSesto Chief Giuseppe Bonomi had invited the clubs to invest here because there would still be room to build a stadium. The site is served by Sesto San Giovanni stop (M1 subway) and it is already planned an upgrade of the station.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 09:09 PM   #1129
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FC Inter Milan and AC Milan officials will meet with local residents around the San Siro area to explain their plans for their new stadium and answer any questions that they may have next week according to a report from Tuttosport. The two clubs will soon confirm which of the club management will be in attendance for Tuesday evening's meeting at the local council building.

Before this meeting however, the two clubs will meet with the city council tomorrow to study the plans that were proposed at the recent official unveiling. This meeting is one of the first few steps in the process, the city council will have to approve (the plan gets the status of "public utility") or reject the clubs proposal.

The report from the newspaper goes on to explain that despite not being the initial favourite among fans, the stadium plan put together by Davide Manica and Progetto CMR is gaining support.

https://www.fcinternews.it/rassegna/...-comune-319592
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 09:26 PM   #1130
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Architect Massimo Roj – the founder of Progetto CMR and co-founder of Sportium –
has revealed his thoughts on why their new stadium project is better than that of Populous.





"I am extremely proud and satisfied with the work done with our partners. It was a team project that was developed in a very short time but which I believe has succeeded in the main objective of transmitting the passion, commitment and dedication that bind us together to the city of Milan and its two historical teams. As a Milanese citizen, and a regular visitor to the glorious San Siro since I was very small, this is literally a dream come true!"

"Our concept represents a strategic starting point for the entire San Siro district with a view to careful and sustainable urban regeneration. Currently the area suffers from a strong detachment with the rest of the urban fabric and the San Siro stadium, although I am one of his greatest admirers and passionate, it really looks like a whale beached on a desolate and paved moor, which becomes even more dramatic when the stadium is not in use."





"Our project has the primary objective of reconstructing the link between this district and the city and it does so through a system of urban park with 3000 trees, extended and open to all, around which develop the typical functions of a neighbourhood, which currently missing, such as neighbourhood shops, restaurants, a hotel, two office buildings, a museum for each team etc. One of the plans is to keep the current pitch at San Siro and make it a further attraction, rather than completely demolish everything."





"The project we presented inevitably involves the demolition of the San Siro, but there was a firm and essential point that me, David (Manica) and all the other Sportium partners have agreed with since we started tracing the first lines of what would later become the concept that you all saw at the presentation last Thursday morning."




"That is to preserve the historical memory of a place that has defined not only the history of football but the identity of an entire city. So we decided to keep the pitch of the current stadium, turning it into a large park accessible to all. Because sport must be this: a driving force for inclusion, growth, in the total absence of barriers and obstacles, an experience of fun and entertainment for all!"





What kind of experience will the fan be offered? "It will be a completely new and immersive way to experience the stadium that starts already outside the plant: once out of the subway, the fan will find himself in front of a green hill and behind him the stadium with the colours of the team playing at home will stand out. This emotion that will be further amplified by the more than 16,000 panels that show the faces of the fans and that will be installed on the facades of the stadium, building an even stronger bond with the beating heart of the structure, ie the supporters of the two teams. This particular game of the facades that come alive with the reflections of light from the panels with 8 faces of the fans that vibrate in the wind will animate the stadium with its own life, which will always seem dynamic even when it is not in use, like a living organism."

"Entering the stadium, people will be welcomed by a series of arches that recall the Galleria and the arcades of Piazza Duomo and overlooked by commercial activities and the two official stores of Inter and Milan. The stands will keep the ‘vertical’ structure of the San Siro but the visibility will be greatly improved: the seats have been designed to optimise the view from every corner of the stadium, while allowing the fans to stay even closer to their teams creating an awesome ‘wall’ effect. Even the business seats will be arranged differently than the current stadium, being distributed along all sides, thus having great visibility and offering an even more ‘totalizing’ experience."




How many seats will be allocated to fans and how many to club business customers? "The stadium will have a total of 60,000 seats, extendable to 63,000 / 65,000 based on needs, and 12,500 seats will be premium. It will be possible to extend the number of seats, guaranteeing the necessary flexibility to host special events such as the UEFA finals, having designed ad hoc structural solutions to expand capacity as needed. Naturally we have also thought of the press as an aspect that must necessarily improve with respect to the current condition. Our new stadium includes press areas in compliance with international standards, fully included in the structure."




Finally, why should Inter and Milan choose your project? "Because it is a project that intends to bring back to life a neighbourhood that today lies almost abandoned and does so starting from the passion that unites us all: sport! Beyond the technical characteristics of our project, what I hope will be most evident is the passion behind it: a project that from the beginning excited us, not just because we are all great football fans but because we are Italians and we are Milanese and as such being able to make our contribution to the new chapter of the Milan to come, strong also due to our deep-rooted knowledge of the territory, is a source of great pride. How will we do it? Creating a lively neighbourhood all year round, with an innovative, avant-garde stadium, but above all a stadium that is alive itself even when it is not in use. A sustainable and efficient plant."

https://sempreinter.com/2019/10/03/i...ium-coming-up/
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Old October 4th, 2019, 11:46 AM   #1131
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^I actually like it a lot more than the Populous project.
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Majority Of Milan City Councillors Against Inter & AC Milan’s New Stadium Proposals

In the coming weeks the councillors will take a vote to decide whether or not the new stadium project is in the public interest or not.
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Old October 4th, 2019, 08:38 PM   #1133
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If the majority of the City Councillors will reject the clubs plan for the San Siro area, then AC Milan and FC Inter Milan will likely go to the former industrial area Falck.
At that point, the Meazza won't be demolished, and it could still be used for music concerts and other important sports events.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 05:57 PM   #1134
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Inter and AC Milan’s hopes for a new San Siro aren’t looking great, according to Milano based newspaper la Gazzetta dello Sport, with the paper detailing the problems both clubs are facing.

The City of Milan are still deciding whether there is sufficient public interest in the project to give it the go ahead, with more voices calling for renovations to the existing San Siro instead of demolishing it to make way for one of the two suggested projects.

The City councillors at Palazzo Marino are waiting for a report carried out by a third party to check the costs and time requirements of renovation works on the existing stadium, a decision both Inter and AC Milan are not happy about. Both clubs have already decided that renovations will cost too much and take too long and would instead prefer to demolish the stadium to make way for one of the suggested projects by Populous and Manica-Sportium.

However, if the City don’t decide that there is enough public interest for a new stadium, then the club’s will be forced to look elsewhere, with the Milanese suburb of Sesto San Giovanni looking the most likely.
https://sempreinter.com/2019/10/06/i...adium-decided/
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Old October 6th, 2019, 09:41 PM   #1135
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Another promising new stadium in Italy getting the kibosh.
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Italian financial community backs Inter-Milan stadium: leave San Siro for Sesto

The idea of pursuing the new stadium in a different area of Milan by FC Inter Milan and AC Milan isn't only a way to put pressure on City Council, according to Milano Finanza weekly.

The report details how the financial community in the city is considering the idea of pursuing the project in the former industrial area Falck. This spring, Intesa San Paolo (one of Italy's largest banks) and Prelios (Italian real estate group) had signed a contract to develop the mixed-use project MilanoSesto, which will span over the 1.4 million square meters area. And developments such as those proposed by AC Milan and FC Inter would be welcomed.

The area has many features suitable for a new stadium: it's close to the Line 1 of Milan subway; it was already planned to build a new rail station; it's very close to the most important city's railway junctions and is close to the Brianza, one of the most populated areas of the region. Milano Finanza also said that both projects submitted by Populous and Progetto CMR-Manica are adaptable for the area. The paper reports that both clubs specifically requested to the architectural firms to create projects that can be adapted to other areas of the city as well.

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Old October 6th, 2019, 09:55 PM   #1137
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Interesting to see what the third party report says in regards to redeveloping the San Siro, and how that compares to what the clubs said about redeveloping the existing stadium.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 10:03 PM   #1138
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Here is a map to give you an indication...

San Siro site --> M5 subway (lilac line): San Siro Stadio stop, San Siro Ippodromo stop.
Falck site --> M1 subway (red line): Sesto I Maggio stop; Sesto San Giovanni rail station.


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Inter and Milan were met with resistance, protests and irritation from local residents when presenting their new stadium plans this evening.

It is looking increasingly unlikely that the local council will give the all-clear to begin building a new arena, essentially in the car park next to the current Stadio Giuseppe Meazza.

So far, councillors have been largely negative about the project to tear down the stadium and create a new venue in the San Siro area of the city.

This evening, Inter director Alessandro Antonello and Milan President Paolo Scaroni attended a town hall meeting to present their project to local citizens, but were greeted with almost blanket negativity.

There were protest signs complaining that big business was trying to make money off the area, creating more concrete rather than green spaces and putting the stadium too close to houses.

Scaroni did not help the situation when referring to the area around San Siro as “a desolate landscape,” which prompted boos from the audience.

Several were calling for a return to the table of the third design, proposed by architect Stefano Boeri, which would’ve had greenery growing off the sides.
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Some citizens of the San Siro district have suggested to built the new stadium in the former industrial area Falck.
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