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Old December 27th, 2008, 11:51 PM   #41
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Portugal is a typical football country, where no other sport comes even close to football. It's not like Germany, Italy, England, France or Spain where also other team sports (basketball, handball, cricket, rugby) are high developed. Lisbon has excellent 65k seat Estadio da Luz. We all know how perfectly organized Euro 2004 was, I think it was the best so far. And just because of 5k less seats they can't organize CL Finals. Really stupid rule!!!
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Well, if Michel Platini has his way, the limit will go up to 75.000 seats minimum. Then Da Luz is 10.000 seats short. UEFA dictates here.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 02:06 AM   #43
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wow 75,000 seats
Only Berlin, Barcelona, Madrid, London, Rome,Manchester and Moscow will be able to organize the final match
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they simply should reactivate safe terraces / standing areas to increase the capacity. but somehow i don't think that this will ever happen...
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Old December 28th, 2008, 12:25 PM   #45
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Just not big enough. Smaller grounds means fewer tickets. As a supporter I'd like to see the European Cup final to be played in San Siro, Nou Camp and Wembley only. Other stadiums that provide 80.000 seats close to the pitch could join this circle in the future.

60.000 seater can stage Europa League finals. That would allow maximum profit for the UEFA and the greatest possible number of ticket for the most important people, the fans.
Indeed, I can understand not demanding such high capacities for world cups and european championships as a large part of the event is about the host but the champions league final is much less of a promotional event for the city concerned. This becomes espeically important when you realise just how many seats UEFA hands out to sponspors and officals, take 30,000 off each capacity and the difference between an 80,000 and 50-70,000 venue becomes much greater.

Location should also be important, all finalists from the last 17 years have been from western europe so why should thse fans have to fly to Moscow or Istambul?
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Old December 28th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #46
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Maybe they can build a 100.000+ stadium somewhere in Europe where all the Champions League finals will be held and problem solved.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #47
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Maybe they can build a 100.000+ stadium somewhere in Europe where all the Champions League finals will be held and problem solved.
OK, you pick the location, then tell all the other cities why they weren't chosen
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I think Superbowl is +60,000 (?)

UEFA should do the same.
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I'd actually like to see the San Siro, Wembley and Nou Camp kept free for the night of the final then use a neutral venue (as they used to in the FA cup) when the finalists are desided. So Real/Liverpool would be played at the San Siro, Man Utd/Inter would be played at the Nou Camp, Milan/Barca would be at Wembley etc two teams of the same nation from the big three leagues could play at home(since nobody would have an advanatge) and when other nations were involved rotation could deside the venue.

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Old December 28th, 2008, 06:29 PM   #50
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I think UEFA should change the rule +70k. It's a stupid rule. There are many excellent stadiums in Europe with capacity of 60k, like:
- Estadio da Luz in Lisbon
- Veltins Arena in Gelsenkirchen
- Celtic Park in Glasgow
- Emirates Stadium in London

There will be new +60k stadiums in Liverpool, Warsaw, St. Peterburg, Zagreb, Lyon,...
A stupid rule? Say that to the fans who have been unable to get tickets in recent years when's it's been played in Amsterdam, Hamden park, Schalke, Athens ect. I think the rule should be even stricter, it should be 70,000 after the extra press facilities and high advertising boards have reduced the capacity.

In the US a stadium has to be at least 73,000 to host the super bowl.
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The size of the stadium does not really matter for a CL final if it is able to seat at least 60.000 visitors. The big clubs in Europe can always easily sell 50.000-100.000 tickets for their fans alone if they reach the CL final. The stadium is in practically all cases not big enough! It never is.

This year two English clubs played in Moscow. But I am sure many fans were disappointed that they could not get their hands on a ticket for the game, even if the final was held pretty far away from their country.

So to have many cities in Europe stage this final is by far more preferable then always having to go to the same boring stadiums. No offence, but if the final is always there and there, then these stadiums will be boring at some point. And why should other cities with (new) stadiums, which are equally good or better then the existing ones, not have the possibility to earn the right to host Footballs most important annual game?
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In the US a stadium has to be at least 73,000 to host the super bowl.
Now its clear why Platini aims 75k
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OK, you pick the location, then tell all the other cities why they weren't chosen
Bruxelles, capital of Europe.
Or it can be a city with no interest like Luxembourg and it's not like choosing Paris for Roma, Berlin or London to brag about anything...just a "neutral" city.

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such a big stadium for just 1 final / year?
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The supercup 18k Monaco stadium is an example…. But its small 
A 100k stadium needs maintenance.... and in these economic problems the world has…

Btw... if this idea is going to work … a good city would be Nyon…. and you could mpve the supercup and uefa final there
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The size of the stadium does not really matter for a CL final if it is able to seat at least 60.000 visitors. The big clubs in Europe can always easily sell 50.000-100.000 tickets for their fans alone if they reach the CL final. The stadium is in practically all cases not big enough! It never is.

This year two English clubs played in Moscow. But I am sure many fans were disappointed that they could not get their hands on a ticket for the game, even if the final was held pretty far away from their country.

So to have many cities in Europe stage this final is by far more preferable then always having to go to the same boring stadiums. No offence, but if the final is always there and there, then these stadiums will be boring at some point. And why should other cities with (new) stadiums, which are equally good or better then the existing ones, not have the possibility to earn the right to host Footballs most important annual game?
Your never going to satisfy all the demand but surely getting tickets for as many fans as possible(and as much money for UEFA as possible) should be the main aim of a host?

As I said I think this becomes even more of a factor when you consider how many tickets are taken up by sponsors, officals or sold to locals. Liverpool had what 17k tickets in a 63k seat stadium in athens? you put that in a 70-80K seat stadium and just 10-15% more capacity could equal 20-30% more tickets for the clubs fans.

I'd guess actually the increased sucess of the prem in recent years may well have brought about this change since english fans travel in much greater numbers than the other large leagues.

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The supercup 18k Monaco stadium is an example…. But its small 
A 100k stadium needs maintenance.... and in these economic problems the world has…

Btw... if this idea is going to work … a good city would be Nyon…. and you could mpve the supercup and uefa final there
The "Supercup" stadium in Monaco is used by AS Monaco.
So i would gues at least 20 games / year.
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Your never going to satisfy all the demand but surely getting tickets for as many fans as possible(and as much money for UEFA as possible) should be the main aim of a host?

As I said I think this becomes even more of a factor when you consider how many tickets are taken up by sponsors, officals or sold to locals. Liverpool had what 17k tickets in a 63k seat stadium in athens? you put that in a 70-80K seat stadium and just 10-15% more capacity could equal 20-30% more tickets for the clubs fans.

I'd guess actually the increased sucess of the prem in recent years may well have brought about this change since english fans travel in much greater numbers than the other large leagues.
Athens capacity was reduced from 73,000 for the final due to the externally high number of press at the match (on a jolly!) (Each press person takes up three seats) and UEFA’s obsession with high advisement boards that block out the first few rows of seats.

I went to Barcelona in 1999 (offical ticket cost me £12, Moscow was £105!), united got 30,000 tickets but this wasn’t enough with thousands in the neutral sections and ticketless outside the ground, but what would it have been like in Amsterdam for example with only a 50,000 capacity? No the final needs to go to big stadiums. Big stadiums make it more of an occasion, although I think next time UEFA pick a venue they need to make sure it has enough hotel rooms in the area, Moscow was a nightmare for accommodation, not enough rooms and the one’s available being £300 a night.
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Your never going to satisfy all the demand
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but surely getting tickets for as many fans as possible(and as much money for UEFA as possible) should be the main aim of a host?
If this means that for example a perfect +/- 66.000 seater is disqualified for hosting the CL final (Allianz, Signal Iduna Westfalen and Old Trafford before the last expansion) in cities which are well known football cities and perfectly capable of hosting the CL final (in this example München, Dortmund, Manchester), I am not in favor of it. Strive for 70.000, but if it 4.000 less, it should also be OK.

A 50.000 seater would be too small, but from 65.000 and upwards gives you more choice then to strive for 75.000 seats which Platini had stated lately. Moneywise it makes no difference to UEFA. The tickets of a CL final are < 1% of total revenue (TV and other commercial contracts), so that makes the stadium size almost irrelevant.

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I'd guess actually the increased sucess of the prem in recent years may well have brought about this change since english fans travel in much greater numbers than the other large leagues.
Especially for the CL final, all clubs we usually see playing there have a huge fanbase. Bayern München will easily sell the same amount of tickets as Liverpool or so. Barcelona will do the same as will AC Milan. No matter where the game in Europe is held.
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