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Old January 30th, 2009, 04:02 PM   #121
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I am canfused
1st mail: 66k inertnational and 69 League
2nd: 66k seats
4th: 69,901 seats
5th: 66k seats
6th: 66k


Maybe UEFA changed it from +70k to +65k?
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Old January 30th, 2009, 07:59 PM   #122
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I think the 70k+ is more a guideline than a strict rule.

Where is the number 72.662 from?
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Old January 30th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #123
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I am canfused
1st mail: 66k inertnational and 69 League
2nd: 66k seats
4th: 69,901 seats
5th: 66k seats
6th: 66k
I remember our "friendly forum fight" we had last year on this topic Sercan . I think it is safe to say that at present 66.000 seats is the capacity of the Allianz Arena, but with some creative measures that could be raised with another 1.000 seats or so. But no matter what the capacity is, this is a very beautiful stadium. And it is absolutely worthy to host a CL Final!

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Maybe UEFA changed it from +70k to +65k?
Like I said, the 70.000 limit was probably just considered as too high. Maybe in 10 years time we will see more 70.000+ seaters in Europe than we have today. But for now the 60.000 - 65.000 seats threshold is OK with me. It gives UEFA much more choice and many more interesting cities a chance to host the big final. And to present themselves to Europe and the rest of the world! I hope the CL final of 2018, 2019 or 2020 will go to Rotterdam. In 2016 (at the latest 2017) the new 80.000+ seats stadium will be opened. For sure it will be worthy of the CL Final.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 03:42 AM   #124
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Well Sercan, I am rather confused to be honest...I thought you are a turk living in Germany? Which wouldn't be too strange obviously. Weren't you a member of the old Stadionwelt-forum as well?!
In any case, I will translate the most important parts of the Allianz-Arena staff for you and the other users..

Die Anzahl in der Allianz Arena ist 69 910 für nationale BL- Spiele. International verfügt die Allianz Arena über eine Kapazität von 66 000 Sitzplätzen.

--> the capacity of Allianz-Arena is 69.910 for domestic matches. In international competition the capacity is 66.000 seats.

Die Zahl von 72.662 ist falsch.

--> the number of 72.662 is wrong

Die neue UEFA Regelung ist noch nicht bestätigt.

--> the new UEFA-rule has not yet been confirmed. (I reckon that was about that +70.000 thing for CL-finals)

1. Das Interview stammt aus dem Jahr 2005. Damals hatten wir 66.000 Sitzplätze. Mittlerweile gab ja es verschiedene bauliche Änderungen.

--> the interview is from the year 2005. Those days we had 66.000 seats. In the meantime there were a couple of constructional changes

2 . Bislang war die Arena für 66.000 Sitzplätze zugelassen. Durch den Umbau der Sponsorentribüne auf dem Unterrang West, wo man die Sponsorensitze durch Standardsitze ersetzt hat, wurde die Kapazität zunächst um etwa 1.000 Plätze erhöht.

--> so far the arena was approved of 66.000 seats. With the reconstruction of the "sponsor's terrace" on the west-stand, where sponsor's seats where replaced by standard seats, the capacity was risen by 1.000 places

3. Zusätzliche 3.000 Plätze werden bei Bundesliga-Spielen durch die Umwandlung der Sitzplätze zu Stehplätzen in neugeschaffene Plätze nicht verkauft, damit die bisherige genehmigte Kapazität nicht überschritten wurde.

--> further 3.000 places, created by changing seating for standing places in Bundesliga matches, cannot be sold (in international competition) so that the allowed capacity is not being crossed

4. Im Januar 2006 kam die Genehmigung die Kapazitätserhöhung auf 69.901 Sitzplätze, die Plätze wurden ab sofort dem Verkauf überstellt.

--> this must be a mistake. The figure is just wrong. The new capacity since January 2006 is 69.901 places overall, 66.000 for international matches. not only seats, as given here.

7. Eine weitere Kapazitätserhöhung ist derzeit nicht geplant.

--> further increase of capacity is not being planned right now


Everything clear now? I think it's quite obvious that in BL matches they can sell 69.901 tickets as in Germany they (thank god) still allow standing terraces. In international competition - seats only - the capacity is reduced to 66.000 places.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:54 PM   #125
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"--> so far the arena was approved of 66.000 seats. With the reconstruction of the "sponsor's terrace" on the west-stand, where sponsor's seats where replaced by standard seats, the capacity was risen by 1.000 places
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So capacity is 67,000?
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:44 PM   #126
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Does somebody understand german?
My received mails from Allianz Arena
You obviously speak german. So why do you ask?
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Old January 31st, 2009, 08:04 PM   #127
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Ive asked because the mail were in german.

But you are right i asked it in a wrong question. It was more like "for those who can speak german"
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Old January 31st, 2009, 09:56 PM   #128
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what about da luz ? its almost the same capacity as aliantz ...
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Old January 31st, 2009, 10:16 PM   #129
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In my opinion at 65k capacity Da Luz is big enough for consideration. Hopefully UEFA will now continue to choose proper football stadiums that provide suitable backdrops for the biggest game in Europe over crappy athletics stadiums with big capacities.

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i agree, at least the next few finals will be held in some proper football stadiums such as the Bernabeau, Wembley and the Allianz.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:39 AM   #131
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I am canfused
1st mail: 66k inertnational and 69 League
2nd: 66k seats
4th: 69,901 seats
5th: 66k seats
6th: 66k


Maybe UEFA changed it from +70k to +65k?
I am confused too. Where are the 3rd?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 12:58 PM   #132
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Well Sercan, I am rather confused to be honest...I thought you are a turk living in Germany? Which wouldn't be too strange obviously. Weren't you a member of the old Stadionwelt-forum as well?!
In any case, I will translate the most important parts of the Allianz-Arena staff for you and the other users..

Die Anzahl in der Allianz Arena ist 69 910 für nationale BL- Spiele. International verfügt die Allianz Arena über eine Kapazität von 66 000 Sitzplätzen.

--> the capacity of Allianz-Arena is 69.910 for domestic matches. In international competition the capacity is 66.000 seats.

Die Zahl von 72.662 ist falsch.

--> the number of 72.662 is wrong

Die neue UEFA Regelung ist noch nicht bestätigt.

--> the new UEFA-rule has not yet been confirmed. (I reckon that was about that +70.000 thing for CL-finals)

1. Das Interview stammt aus dem Jahr 2005. Damals hatten wir 66.000 Sitzplätze. Mittlerweile gab ja es verschiedene bauliche Änderungen.

--> the interview is from the year 2005. Those days we had 66.000 seats. In the meantime there were a couple of constructional changes

2 . Bislang war die Arena für 66.000 Sitzplätze zugelassen. Durch den Umbau der Sponsorentribüne auf dem Unterrang West, wo man die Sponsorensitze durch Standardsitze ersetzt hat, wurde die Kapazität zunächst um etwa 1.000 Plätze erhöht.

--> so far the arena was approved of 66.000 seats. With the reconstruction of the "sponsor's terrace" on the west-stand, where sponsor's seats where replaced by standard seats, the capacity was risen by 1.000 places

3. Zusätzliche 3.000 Plätze werden bei Bundesliga-Spielen durch die Umwandlung der Sitzplätze zu Stehplätzen in neugeschaffene Plätze nicht verkauft, damit die bisherige genehmigte Kapazität nicht überschritten wurde.

--> further 3.000 places, created by changing seating for standing places in Bundesliga matches, cannot be sold (in international competition) so that the allowed capacity is not being crossed

4. Im Januar 2006 kam die Genehmigung die Kapazitätserhöhung auf 69.901 Sitzplätze, die Plätze wurden ab sofort dem Verkauf überstellt.

--> this must be a mistake. The figure is just wrong. The new capacity since January 2006 is 69.901 places overall, 66.000 for international matches. not only seats, as given here.

7. Eine weitere Kapazitätserhöhung ist derzeit nicht geplant.

--> further increase of capacity is not being planned right now


Everything clear now? I think it's quite obvious that in BL matches they can sell 69.901 tickets as in Germany they (thank god) still allow standing terraces. In international competition - seats only - the capacity is reduced to 66.000 places.

@ Allianz-Arena Kenner: Es tut mir leid, dass ich in deutsch schreibe(n muss), mein Englisch ist leider nicht gut genug dafür:
Ist es nicht grundsätzlich so, dass die Allianz Arena eine MÖGLICHE Kapazität von 70.000 hat und diese aufgrund der städtischen Betriebsgenehmigung zunächst auf 66.000 begrenzt wurde?
Die Stehplätze werden doch 1:1 in Sitzplätze umgewandelt, bei einer Umwandlung von 2:1 wäre doch eine Kapazität von ? 75.000 möglich, oder?
Warum macht man in München jetzt dieses "Affentheater" und ändert die Betriebsgenehmigung nicht auf Minimum 70.000 (int.) und 75.000 in Bundesliga-Spielen?
Die Infrastruktur kann doch lässig diese geringe Mehrbelastung verkraften, oder?
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I thought the same (70k seats etv) therefore i wrote an e mail to them.
But according to them it has got just 66k seats.
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50.000 is indeed not too much for a C.L. final but in the situation we are today, 70.000 seriously limits the options so I don't think it's a written rule that C.L. finals have to be held on stadium with at least 70.000 seats but to make it more clear they won't take place on stadiums much smaller then tat, there are a lot of big stadiums that are close but not quite 70k so Allianz is a example.
After all what were the candidates for CL finals 2011-2012? I know the UEFA ones but not the C.L. candidates.
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+60k would be better
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For now, it's OK to declare 70.000 just to make it sure for the 50.000 stadiums that they have no chance but keep some closed eyes when stadiums like Allianz, Da Luz or other stadium around this capacity will bid.
For later, I don't think it will be such a problem to put a strict limit of min. 70.000.

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I hope the CL final of 2018, 2019 or 2020 will go to Rotterdam. In 2016 (at the latest 2017) the new 80.000+ seats stadium will be opened. For sure it will be worthy of the CL Final.
Man, there's so much time till then, just imagining my age then makes me not think about it.
Well, I think there's so many chances for you in Rotterdam to catch a lot of finals close to you till then.

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I think UEFA should change the rule +70k. It's a stupid rule.
I think having the final in smaller venues like Gelsenkirchen or Hampden Park in recent years has been sillier.
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Has Super Bowl anything to do with the UEFA competitions? No!
Don`t understand this deification discussion about the super bowl in this topic, thats all.
Whether you like the sport or not, the comparison between it and the Champions League final should be obvious to everybody.
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I know the Scottish FA have been discussing a possible expansion of Hampden Park to 70,000 seats. That might bring them back into contention. Although I still hate the fact that stadium is an oval.
That has been discussed for a while for precisely that reason. However, no formal plans have been made public as far as I'm aware and the fact that Hampden will be the athletics venue for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow means that any expansion probably won't happen for another eight or ten years.
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What’s the point of making the new anfield 75,000 (if it even gets built!) as any major game in the England will go to Wembley, all the England home games and fa cup semi finals are now there (I’m against this, I think at least one England game a season should be in the north and having semi's at Wembley devalues the final).
I don't like the FA Cup semi-finals being played at Wembley either. While I'm not convinced by the 'devaluing the final' argument, I always felt that semi-finals at an Old Trafford or a Villa Park were hugely special occasions in their own right and, if anything has been devalued, it is the semi in my opinion.

Since the FA Cup semis moved to Wembley, I have felt that the League Cup semi-finals should be changed to a one-off game at a neutral club ground. What do you think of that?
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