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Old November 9th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #6801
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I am really interested, when Google Maps will also update complete the new last openend part of the A4 Highway. Hmm

Does anybody have informations or so about that?
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Old November 10th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #6802
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They will rob the data off Openstreetmap....probably...just like Apple maps does. The only bang on data is usually Openstreetmap.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #6803
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Is there any Chance to help in the "Google Map Maker" so that i can also give a confirmation to Google that this roadpart is already in use?

I try to use "Google Map Maker", but i dont know how.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #6804
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Map Maker is not available in Bulgaria

https://support.google.com/mapmaker/answer/155415?hl=en
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Old November 11th, 2015, 04:47 AM   #6805
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Do yoin know is there any perspective of the motorway development after SNST opens
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:36 AM   #6806
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Do yoin know is there any perspective of the motorway development after SNST opens

Yes next year Lot 3.1. and Lot 3.3 from A3 should start construction, lot 1 of A2 from Yablanica to Pleven/Lovech interchange should start too and we hope for some parts of A7 ( Sofia-Serbian border) and one part from the South ring road from Mladost district to A1 interchange.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:50 AM   #6807
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Is there any Chance to help in the "Google Map Maker" so that i can also give a confirmation to Google that this roadpart is already in use?

I try to use "Google Map Maker", but i dont know how.
you can always click on the give feedback link on the bottom right(it is super small)
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Old November 11th, 2015, 12:44 PM   #6808
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Lot 3.3 signed already, so I guess MichiH would have to add it to the construction list soon
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Old November 11th, 2015, 06:06 PM   #6809
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The government raises the price of the vignettes, effective from 2016. For cars the new price will be set at 97 levs (49.6 euro), as the current one is 67 levs. For other categories of vehicles the increase is similar.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:00 PM   #6810
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The government raises the price of the vignettes, effective from 2016. For cars the new price will be set at 97 levs (49.6 euro), as the current one is 67 levs. For other categories of vehicles the increase is similar.
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Hmm, i am ready and i think its Okay to pay more for the vignettes.
BUT i want for that higher price from the goverment better national and village roads and more highways.

Lets see and wait what they will do.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:06 PM   #6811
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According to that website, the toll revenue from the vignette is only 224.5 million leva per year. That's € 115 million, a completely insufficient revenue stream to finance roads from.

97 leva for an annual vignette is very cheap. It's the same amount of money I spend every week in the supermarket for just one person.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:35 PM   #6812
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Well since the annual Swiss vignette for cars is only 34 € and the Romanian only 28 € I don't see much reason the Bulgarian one to be ca. 50 €.

I agree with that € 115 million isn't sufficient, but in the same time the BG wages are one of the lowest in the EU that is to say the road maintaning costs shoud be generally cheaper!
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #6813
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We can't be sure that all revenues from vignettes will go for roads only, as some of the money have been spent for other things. Personally, I want toll to be introduced for trucks and the article in my previous post says that it's likely to be done from 2017 or 2018.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:59 PM   #6814
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97 leva for an annual vignette is very cheap. It's the same amount of money I spend every week in the supermarket for just one person.
that kind of comparison doesn't make any sence,
good for you for being able to spend that much money every week in the supermarket but that amount is about a half of the minimal monthly wage in bulgaria!
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #6815
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Well since the annual Swiss vignette for cars is only 34 € and the Romanian only 28 € I don't see much reason the Bulgarian one to be ca. 50 €.
They have the same problem as Bulgaria (yes, Switzerland too!) in the sense that they cannot fund their road network through vignettes.

In fact there is not a single country in Europe that can fund its road network through vignettes. The best strategy is to introduce a separate distance-based toll for trucks and funnel the fuel taxes into the road fund instead of the general budget.

Vignettes simply don't generate that much revenue.

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that kind of comparison doesn't make any sence,
good for you for being able to spend that much money every week in the supermarket but that amount is about a half of the minimal monthly wage in bulgaria!
That's true, but let's convert it to the fuel price. The price of an annual vignette is about the same as about one tank of fuel of 50 L.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 02:10 AM   #6816
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I agree. The fuel taxes alone accounted for almost a billion EUR of revenue last year. That including the vignette income and a distance-based truck toll should be enough for maintaining the 20 000 km national road network. Something has to be done about the municipal roads as well. They tend to be in even worse condition than the national roads.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 06:23 AM   #6817
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I also think EUR50 is still rather cheap. For an annual permission to use the entire road network including all highways, a charge in the range of EUR100 seems appropriate to me. The minimum wage is irrelevant as basis determining such kind of fees, most of the people who (truly) earn that little cannot afford having a car at the first place. There are many alternative options enabling traveling (bus, trains, taxis, etc.), as there are vignettes for shorter time periods. So what would justify a price enabling the entire populations to easily afford buying an annual vignette? Comparing it to price of the vignettes in other countries is also not an fair way to look at it as different countries have different taxation systems and budgetary aims.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #6818
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Annual vignette is a strategy of governments from relatively small countries to get more money (per km) from foreigners than from their own citizens.
Politically is a clever strategy.

50 EUR/year for almost 800km of motorway is too much.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 03:34 PM   #6819
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The Bulgarian vignette applies to all state roads, not just the motorways.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 04:24 PM   #6820
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unless it is route 11,12 or the city bypasses
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