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Old August 14th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #61
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If that's socialism, then the US is a socialist country. Most American stadiums are municipal, that is to say, they're owned by the cities. And where do the cities get the money to build them? From taxes. And who pays taxes? The cities' visitors & the cities/counties' residents.
America, like every single other country in the world, is a mixed economy (capitalism and socialism). However, this particular practice is called purely socialistic.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 10:31 PM   #62
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We need more businessman competing to buy football clubs, I don't want the government to be involved in any of it at all,
You know it isn't one or the other, the favoured and best model is the member association, government ownership leads to football being manipulated (like in the former eastern bloc) but ownership by individuals leads to it becoming arbitrary and mean it relies to heavily on individual investment, especially when football doesn't need it.

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America, like every single other country in the world, is a mixed economy (capitalism and socialism). However, this particular practice is called purely socialistic.
If i am not mistaken being ukrainian your viewpoint is going to be slightly tarnished by what you may have experience during your life time.

The facts are that part of the reason we have government is to provide essential services (Transport, health, education, police etc) and things for public benefit (parks, libraries etc). Sport and Entertainment are for the benefit of the public and if they can't be facilitated in a city without private investment then of course the government should intervene and invest especially when it can also levy a tax that can pay for it. The investment is as much for the benefit of the citizens as the owners of said club...

Anyway I like the fact kharkiv have a modern stadium and it will likely bve filled, but I hate the track and see no place for it in a modern football stadium.
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Old August 15th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #63
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You know it isn't one or the other, the favoured and best model is the member association, government ownership leads to football being manipulated (like in the former eastern bloc) but ownership by individuals leads to it becoming arbitrary and mean it relies to heavily on individual investment, especially when football doesn't need it.



If i am not mistaken being ukrainian your viewpoint is going to be slightly tarnished by what you may have experience during your life time.

The facts are that part of the reason we have government is to provide essential services (Transport, health, education, police etc) and things for public benefit (parks, libraries etc). Sport and Entertainment are for the benefit of the public and if they can't be facilitated in a city without private investment then of course the government should intervene and invest especially when it can also levy a tax that can pay for it. The investment is as much for the benefit of the citizens as the owners of said club...

Anyway I like the fact kharkiv have a modern stadium and it will likely bve filled, but I hate the track and see no place for it in a modern football stadium.
I am aware of the governments role. Building and managing stadiums is not an essential service and should function on private basis. There's a difference between providing public sport facilities and building a stadium for professional football, the former is essential for kids growing up, while the latter is a business and should be treated as such. Government businesses are inefficient and have no place in modern world.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #64
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My firm belief is that government shouldn't be involved in anything that doesn't absolutely require it (like police, for instance), everything that can be private, should be private.
I like the way you think.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #66
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Found this nice pic of Slavutych Arena. Unfortunately, I do not know who the author of the photograph is. Very cozy stadium.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #67
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Unfortunately, I do not know who the author of the photograph is.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/20889724 It's Shakhtar's photographer Valeriy Dudush
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Old September 24th, 2009, 11:37 PM   #68
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Old September 25th, 2009, 03:05 AM   #69
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http://www.panoramio.com/photo/20889724 It's Shakhtar's photographer Valeriy Dudush
Thanks. He's very good!
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Donbass Arena is just awesome!
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #71
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Old October 19th, 2009, 02:21 PM   #72
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Old March 1st, 2010, 05:58 AM   #73
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anyone have any new updates on ivano frankivsk and ternopil,any of the stadiums finished yet?
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Old March 1st, 2010, 02:57 PM   #74
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What are top5 sports in Ukraine?Football is for sure nr 1 but other sports?
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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:13 PM   #75
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What are top5 sports in Ukraine?Football is for sure nr 1 but other sports?
Sport in Ukraine is now in full decline, except for football. The once popular sports (hockey, volleyball and handball) almost died, the league is very weak, there is no funding. Basketball is still alive, but is at a lower level than in neighboring Poland and especially Russia.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #76
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Donbass Arena 52 000 (Donetsk)





Dnipro Arena 32 000 (Dnipropetrovsk)





Slavytich Arena 12 000 (Zaporijja)





Metalist Stadium 42 000 (Kharkiv)





Stadium Uvileynuy 26 000 (Symu)





Lemberg Stadium 34 000 (Lviv)





Prokopenko Arena 35 000 (Odessa)





NSK Olimpiuskiy 70 000 ( Kyiv)


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Old May 16th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #77
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Kyiv (Olympic Stadium) - 69,004
















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Old May 16th, 2011, 04:05 PM   #78
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Donetsk (Donbass Arena) - 51,504

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Old May 16th, 2011, 04:10 PM   #79
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Lviv Arena - 33,500







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Odesa (Prokopenko Arena) - 34,858









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