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Old June 18th, 2019, 12:07 PM   #17561
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Those chalets and resorts in LGK n KK, are they built by gomen? Think about that
I cannot comment on Langkawi, but in the very early years, much of those sort of tourism facilities were built and operated by Sabah state GLCs (not gahmen directly) If not mistaken, the current Shangri-La Tanjung Aru Resort (STAR) started life as a Yayasan Sabah owned hotel with management by the Beaufort Hotel group. The current Hyatt Regency was (likely still is) owned by the Sabah Economic Development Corporation (SEDCO)
Other examples would be those chalets and facilities at Tunku Abdul Rahman and Mount Kinabalu national parks - it would have been deemed too risky for the private sector to venture into those untested territories back then, certainly no one but the tourism body and gahmen of the day would be able to get the permits to build on the national parks anyway
So yes, gahmen here has been quite instrumental in sowing seeds for the tourism and hospitality industries. Once sufficiently established, it's only then proper that the private sector gradually nurture it to maturity. Managing that transition is the debatable part ......
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Thinking positive is great ! But establishing Sarawak own airline is Not Realistic !
Why not try out a more realistic option of mounting chartered flights between Kuching and, well, any other airport in the world really, just to test waters and assess viability ? Like the flight to Hainan previously
With coffers at disposal of Sarawak state gahmen, I'm sure these chartered flights can be subsidized to some degree. Would certainly be cheaper than getting all those permits and licences and landing rights and airport slots ...... if you want a full fledged Sarawak airline
Admittedly much less prestigious and not so glamorous though
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Old June 18th, 2019, 01:46 PM   #17563
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2. As for Semenggoh, Damai, and Jong vs. Manukan, Desa Dairy, Sabah Tea, etc. I would rate KK's natural beauties as much better than Kuching's... BUT... I wouldn't go there just to admire the natural beauties in its wild format. There needs to be some creature comfort infrastructures and activities to make the trip worth while. And in that sense, Manukan, Kundasang, Desa Dairy, Sabah Tea, etc are still a work in progress and it is not very difficult for Kuching to catch up. Eventhough the natural surroundings tip the favour in KK's hand.
a. If it's creature comforts, Manukan may not be top choice. Look up Bunga Raya Island and Gaya Island Resorts, both also within 'neighbourhood' - but be aware comforts invariably come at a price, particularly so at those places so far remote

b. Be quite impossible for Kuching to catch up with Kundasang any time soon, I beg to differ - need to grow a proper mountain somehow

c. Desa Dairy - of course it's doable, them Qataris managed it in the Arabian sands in such a short time, again comes at a price of course
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Old June 18th, 2019, 02:42 PM   #17564
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Old June 18th, 2019, 03:04 PM   #17565
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Thinking positive is great ! But establishing Sarawak own airline is Not Realistic !
Why not try out a more realistic option of mounting chartered flights between Kuching and, well, any other airport in the world really, just to test waters and assess viability ? Like the flight to Hainan previously
With coffers at disposal of Sarawak state gahmen, I'm sure these chartered flights can be subsidized to some degree. Would certainly be cheaper than getting all those permits and licences and landing rights and airport slots ...... if you want a full fledged Sarawak airline [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
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Chatered flights are good ideas. Thanks for pointing out. Didn't thought of it earlier.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 06:55 AM   #17566
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Bro, just to check with you, from your opinion, do you reckon that the people from Banjarmasin / Balikpapan willing to come over to KCH for weekend trip? Rather than fly to CGK and the likes? Its a huge market from that prt of Kalimantan.
Banjarmasin and Balikpapan are natural resource rich cities with Coal, Oil and Gas being their main export. Naturally, their spending power is much stronger than Pontianakians. Many National and Multinational companies in Indonesia based their Kalimantan or Eastern Indonesia's regional HQ in one of those two cities (plus Makassar competiting for Eastern Indonesia HQ spot).

For Kuching to capture the market of those two cities, the battle is alot tougher compare to the Pontianak market. Competitions comes from domestic Indonesia's market where both cities have very good connections to major Indonesian airports such as Jakarta, Bandung, Semarang, Surabaya, Denpasar, Makassar as well as other smaller airports plus direct connection between Balikpapan and Singapore.

I think the incentive for them to visit Kuching is not big since there is no direct flight connecting the cities, and other than a different way of life (Malaysian vs Indonesian) there is not much attractions for them to visit. If they have to pick a Malaysian city to visit, chances are Kuala Lumpur will be on top of the list or Kota Kinabalu or Tawau maybe a closer choice. Other than Balikpapan and Banjarmasin, another major city in Kalimantan is Samarinda, the capital of East Kalimantan, about 3-4 hours drive from Balikpapan.

But if Kuching has an opportunity to build a link with those 3 cities. Kuching's health service industry is well establish in Pontianak and some Jakartan are familiar with. Eye surgery, Knee and Hip surgery, Skin treatments seems to be popular. So is education industry, Swinburne University and UCSI Hospitality University are other opportunities for Kuching to market to Balikpapan, Banjarmasin and Samarinda.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 11:13 AM   #17567
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Banjarmasin and Balikpapan are natural resource rich cities with Coal, Oil and Gas being their main export. Naturally, their spending power is much stronger than Pontianakians. Many National and Multinational companies in Indonesia based their Kalimantan or Eastern Indonesia's regional HQ in one of those two cities (plus Makassar competiting for Eastern Indonesia HQ spot).

For Kuching to capture the market of those two cities, the battle is alot tougher compare to the Pontianak market. Competitions comes from domestic Indonesia's market where both cities have very good connections to major Indonesian airports such as Jakarta, Bandung, Semarang, Surabaya, Denpasar, Makassar as well as other smaller airports plus direct connection between Balikpapan and Singapore.

I think the incentive for them to visit Kuching is not big since there is no direct flight connecting the cities, and other than a different way of life (Malaysian vs Indonesian) there is not much attractions for them to visit. If they have to pick a Malaysian city to visit, chances are Kuala Lumpur will be on top of the list or Kota Kinabalu or Tawau maybe a closer choice. Other than Balikpapan and Banjarmasin, another major city in Kalimantan is Samarinda, the capital of East Kalimantan, about 3-4 hours drive from Balikpapan.

But if Kuching has an opportunity to build a link with those 3 cities. Kuching's health service industry is well establish in Pontianak and some Jakartan are familiar with. Eye surgery, Knee and Hip surgery, Skin treatments seems to be popular. So is education industry, Swinburne University and UCSI Hospitality University are other opportunities for Kuching to market to Balikpapan, Banjarmasin and Samarinda.
thanks for the very detailed explanation . Appreciate it.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 11:16 AM   #17568
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Here is an opportunity for Kuching to take a shot at being a hub:

Since Sriwijaya Air Group (including its subsidiary airlines Nam Air) was taken under Garuda's wing, there are only two major airlines grouping in Indonesia:

1. Garuda Indonesia including Citilink, Sriwijaya Air and Nam Air
2. Lion Air Group including Wings Air and Batik Airways

Airasia Indonesia somehow has a weak presence in Indonesia. The government of Indonesia was so frustrated with the Oligopoly driving up ticket prices by up to 100% compare to last year that it is toying with the idea of inviting Airasia Malaysia, Scoot and Jetstar to serve the domestic market.

Tiga Maskapai Asing akan Masuk Indonesia, Termasuk Scoot

Menhub Sebut Scoot Tertarik Buka Rute Penerbangan Domestik

Undang Maskapai Asing, Menhub Tekankan Persaingan Sehat

So expensive was the domestic flight, it is cheaper to fly overseas.

PNK - KUL is about IDR 890,000 (MYR 260) vs PNK - CGK at IDR 1,804,000 (MYR 528)
PNK - KCH is about IDR 390,000 (MYR 115) vs PNK - BPN at IDR 1,191,000 (MYR 348)

( Based on Google Flights )

My friend just flew into PNK from BPN last week about IDR 1,700,000 (MYR 497) while at the same time his in-laws fly BPN - SIN for MYR 350 on a Silk Air.

If flying from PNK to CGK is about MYR 528 while PNK to KCH about MYR 115, then if Airasia or any other airline can ply KCH - CGK for say 25% less than 528 - 115 = MYR 413 - 25% = MYR 310 then voila, KCH get a connection to CGK and becomes a hub for PNK to CGK.

Or KCH - BPN = MYR 348 - 115 = MYR 233 - 25% = MYR 175.

Why 25% ? Because if it is the same, it will not be worth the hassle for people to catch a connecting flight.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 01:33 PM   #17569
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Those people working at Sarawak Tourism Board seriously need to be changed. Don't know what they doing.... Maybe get a few people from Sabah Tourism Board.
They are doing well.
Their job is do marketing, not developing Attractions
Rainforest World Music Festival is organised by STB, Top 25 Music Festival in the world.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 06:47 PM   #17570
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Those people working at Sarawak Tourism Board seriously need to be changed. Don't know what they doing.... Maybe get a few people from Sabah Tourism Board.
They are doing well.
Their job is do marketing, not developing Attractions
Rainforest World Music Festival is organised by STB, Top 25 Music Festival in the world.
Only Rainforest World Music Festival? Kuching is still not well marketed in many foreign countries.
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Old June 20th, 2019, 03:46 AM   #17571
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Here is an opportunity for Kuching to take a shot at being a hub:

Since Sriwijaya Air Group (including its subsidiary airlines Nam Air) was taken under Garuda's wing, there are only two major airlines grouping in Indonesia:

1. Garuda Indonesia including Citilink, Sriwijaya Air and Nam Air
2. Lion Air Group including Wings Air and Batik Airways

Airasia Indonesia somehow has a weak presence in Indonesia. The government of Indonesia was so frustrated with the Oligopoly driving up ticket prices by up to 100% compare to last year that it is toying with the idea of inviting Airasia Malaysia, Scoot and Jetstar to serve the domestic market.

Tiga Maskapai Asing akan Masuk Indonesia, Termasuk Scoot

Menhub Sebut Scoot Tertarik Buka Rute Penerbangan Domestik

Undang Maskapai Asing, Menhub Tekankan Persaingan Sehat

So expensive was the domestic flight, it is cheaper to fly overseas.

PNK - KUL is about IDR 890,000 (MYR 260) vs PNK - CGK at IDR 1,804,000 (MYR 528)
PNK - KCH is about IDR 390,000 (MYR 115) vs PNK - BPN at IDR 1,191,000 (MYR 348)

( Based on Google Flights )

My friend just flew into PNK from BPN last week about IDR 1,700,000 (MYR 497) while at the same time his in-laws fly BPN - SIN for MYR 350 on a Silk Air.

If flying from PNK to CGK is about MYR 528 while PNK to KCH about MYR 115, then if Airasia or any other airline can ply KCH - CGK for say 25% less than 528 - 115 = MYR 413 - 25% = MYR 310 then voila, KCH get a connection to CGK and becomes a hub for PNK to CGK.

Or KCH - BPN = MYR 348 - 115 = MYR 233 - 25% = MYR 175.

Why 25% ? Because if it is the same, it will not be worth the hassle for people to catch a connecting flight.
Thank you for the insight downsouth. Couple of years ago, I tried to travel on Xpress Air from KCH to JOG via PNK (just for the heck of it) but the cost was so exorbitant (including an overnight stay in PNK - unless it was a Thur or Sat for which there would be an immediate transfer) that I had to settle for AK via KUL in the end.

It seems to be the case when routes are monopolized by one dominant operator. This is the reason why despite being a resident of Kuching, I am embarrassed to say that I have never been to any of the exotic destinations in the Kelabit highlands of Sarawak - Bario, Ba'kelalan, Long Akah/Seridan/Banga etc - simply because it is cheaper to fly to Bangkok or even Hong Kong and Perth instead. The fares charged by MasWings is ridiculously high and the Rural Air Service (RAS) which MW operates is suppose to serve these remote communities which may not the sort of money to fork out. And MW is supposed to be subsidized by the government but I do not see this being translated into reasonably priced fares. You may remember the time when Airasia tried to take over with FAX Airlines but did not pan out.

I do not know how much clout the Sarawak government has over domestic air routes and airspace but if it has, they should consider allowing foreign carriers to operate if these can bring down the costs. Thus, I am intrigued by your proposition to make KCH a hub for Kalimantan travellers. It might just work if the government is really keen to explore all possibilities. Also, I notice that intra-Kalimantan flights are also not well established. Reminds me of Africa - sometimes to get from one African country to another, one is better off flying to London or Paris and connect from there.
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Banjarmasin and Balikpapan are natural resource rich cities with Coal, Oil and Gas being their main export. Naturally, their spending power is much stronger than Pontianakians. Many National and Multinational companies in Indonesia based their Kalimantan or Eastern Indonesia's regional HQ in one of those two cities (plus Makassar competiting for Eastern Indonesia HQ spot).

For Kuching to capture the market of those two cities, the battle is alot tougher compare to the Pontianak market. Competitions comes from domestic Indonesia's market where both cities have very good connections to major Indonesian airports such as Jakarta, Bandung, Semarang, Surabaya, Denpasar, Makassar as well as other smaller airports plus direct connection between Balikpapan and Singapore.

I think the incentive for them to visit Kuching is not big since there is no direct flight connecting the cities, and other than a different way of life (Malaysian vs Indonesian) there is not much attractions for them to visit. If they have to pick a Malaysian city to visit, chances are Kuala Lumpur will be on top of the list or Kota Kinabalu or Tawau maybe a closer choice. Other than Balikpapan and Banjarmasin, another major city in Kalimantan is Samarinda, the capital of East Kalimantan, about 3-4 hours drive from Balikpapan.

But if Kuching has an opportunity to build a link with those 3 cities. Kuching's health service industry is well establish in Pontianak and some Jakartan are familiar with. Eye surgery, Knee and Hip surgery, Skin treatments seems to be popular. So is education industry, Swinburne University and UCSI Hospitality University are other opportunities for Kuching to market to Balikpapan, Banjarmasin and Samarinda.

I remember MH tried KCH-BPN but that did not work out. Then MasWings proposed to add BPN to its international destinations of PNK, BWN and TRK and that did not work out either. Xpress Air also indicated the possibility of a BPN- KCH flight and nothing came of it. Its like the route is hexed
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I remember MH tried KCH-BPN but that did not work out. Then MasWings proposed to add BPN to its international destinations of PNK, BWN and TRK and that did not work out either. Xpress Air also indicated the possibility of a BPN- KCH flight and nothing came of it. Its like the route is hexed
I can't recall MH plying KCH - BPN, if it was more than 15 years ago, that may have been a different time where gas and oils in Balikpapan only benefited certain MNCs. Today, East Kalimantan is 2nd richest province in Indonesia in term of GRP (provincial GDP), right behind Jakarta and ahead of Riau, another oil rich province.

In fact of all of Kalimantan's provinces, West Kalimantan is the poorest interm of GRP

Comparing it to Malaysia's State GDP for the same period (2017), East Kalimantan's GDP per capita of USD 11,732 is on par with Sarawak's GDP percapita of MYR 49,327.

The problem with MasWings and Xpress flying the route is that MasWings was flying it using ATR-72 planed, thus in my opinion relegating an international flight to the same level as a rural air service, plus the distance between BPN and KCH making the journey on ATR-72 to probably 2 - 2,5 hours. Thus for the haves of Balikpapan, they'd rather spend their holiday in cosmopolitan Jakarta or Surabaya or the beach front of Bali. It is a psychological thing. Whereas Xpress Air has such an unreliable service due to the age of their airplanes and a limited number of airplanes.
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I can't recall MH plying KCH - BPN, if it was more than 15 years ago, that may have been a different time where gas and oils in Balikpapan only benefited certain MNCs. Today, East Kalimantan is 2nd richest province in Indonesia in term of GRP (provincial GDP), right behind Jakarta and ahead of Riau, another oil rich province.

In fact of all of Kalimantan's provinces, West Kalimantan is the poorest interm of GRP

Comparing it to Malaysia's State GDP for the same period (2017), East Kalimantan's GDP per capita of USD 11,732 is on par with Sarawak's GDP percapita of MYR 49,327.

The problem with MasWings and Xpress flying the route is that MasWings was flying it using ATR-72 planed, thus in my opinion relegating an international flight to the same level as a rural air service, plus the distance between BPN and KCH making the journey on ATR-72 to probably 2 - 2,5 hours. Thus for the haves of Balikpapan, they'd rather spend their holiday in cosmopolitan Jakarta or Surabaya or the beach front of Bali. It is a psychological thing. Whereas Xpress Air has such an unreliable service due to the age of their airplanes and a limited number of airplanes.
Agree. I forget what year it was but the MH service from KCH-BPN v.v. lasted less than a month and I remembered asking what sort of market research (if any!!) was done prior to launching the route.

Would you say Balikpapan is the most cosmopolitan and modern city in Kalimantan? It looks modern and developed (next in line would be Samarinda) and I believe MI flies there from SIN.
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STATOS done. STATOI and STATOB coming soon. Hoping that Sarawak can open another one in Bangkok. But all that will be useless if our local player prefer investing outside than in their own turf.
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Agree. I forget what year it was but the MH service from KCH-BPN v.v. lasted less than a month and I remembered asking what sort of market research (if any!!) was done prior to launching the route.

Would you say Balikpapan is the most cosmopolitan and modern city in Kalimantan? It looks modern and developed (next in line would be Samarinda) and I believe MI flies there from SIN.
The last time I visited BPN was more than 10 years ago, so I can't really say how cosmopolitan BPN is. But considering it is the biggest city in one of the richest province in Indonesia where alot of Expatriates from the oil and gas industry works, I should assume it is the most modern. I heard that its airport is one of the most modern in Indonesia and has a mall integrated in it.
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The last time I visited BPN was more than 10 years ago, so I can't really say how cosmopolitan BPN is. But considering it is the biggest city in one of the richest province in Indonesia where alot of Expatriates from the oil and gas industry works, I should assume it is the most modern. I heard that its airport is one of the most modern in Indonesia and has a mall integrated in it.
I met a Jakartan fresh graduate in Jogja a few years back. It stucked with me when he said Balikpapan is the highest paying in the field of oil and gas in Indonesia. He was about to travel to Balikpapan to look for job. New things you learn from travelling.
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