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Old Yesterday, 01:49 PM   #7281
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Where is your opposition to skyscrapers,roads and railways on environmental grounds on this forum: VDB/Roquentin/Bapsandrolls ?

Show me your example before you state undying love for the planet in the face of Chinese and USA carrying on regardless?

I await your posts opposing developments for not being Zero Carbon.
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China has 1.4 billion people, England has 54 million. Doesn't really matter what China is building, silly comparison!
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China has 1.4 billion people, England has 54 million. Doesn't really matter what China is building, silly comparison!
Not sure the maths is right.

China is building 235 airports, not runways by 2033/5

The UK is proposing one runway, not airport.

My maths says what we are doing is economic, school playground grandstanding. Pathetic.
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Old Yesterday, 03:11 PM   #7284
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You seem to know alot about Chinese development, therefore you will have seen the research between their kick turnaround on reducing emissions despite rapid development. They aren't just building airports, however why should I have to highlight this to you.

I knew this would come - that I somehow I should hate development based on environmental grounds. Clearly a nuanced argument is beyond your pale.

Black or white or nothing.

Sit down, you've managed to deride this threat by attacking the very thought of environmentalism.
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Old Yesterday, 03:32 PM   #7285
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Black or white or nothing.

Sit down, you've managed to deride this threat by attacking the very thought of environmentalism.
I recylce everything, walk to the shops and have reduced my car commute journeys.

"Black or white or nothing" as you say.

What you miss is doing something idiotic with the morals. I know banning Heathrow Runway 3 is idiotic as the stated reasons are irrelevant. The journey that Heathrow will require will now be made by other airports, hopefully Manchester, but the pollution will not stop. It is thus idiotic to oppose expansion.

Don't even get me started on the arrival of electric jets for regional flights, that in the time-frame of Paris, is a massive factor in reducing aviation pollution.

Next up, for you, folding wings (whilst taxing) and extended wing-tips that allow a further c 25% reduction in fuel use and thus pollution.

Don't mistake my green credentials or knowledge for also seeing a stupid court ban of no environmental benefit.
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Old Yesterday, 07:00 PM   #7286
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Eastlands Arena update.(of sorts)

The proposed Arena site next to the Etihad Football Stadium.

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Updated CGI's released this Morning. (originally posted by JBGee)



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More information on the Arena proposal.

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Click on the link. https://eastlandsvenue.com/



A bit more detail of the inside of the arena. Enlarged the cgi.

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4 levels.

Level 1/ground level allows the stage to be in the centre of the arena.

Level 3 looks like premium seating or corporate boxes along the side.

Financial Times.

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US entertainment group backed by Silver Lake is pressing ahead with plans to build a £350m arena next to the stadium of Manchester City football club, in a move that deepens ties between one of the world’s biggest private equity groups and the Premier League champions.

California-based Oak View Group told the FT it is to file a planning application for the 23,500 person capacity music and entertainment venue, which it believes will be the most expensive arena in Europe and the biggest in the UK.

One of Oak View’s biggest investors is Silver Lake, which in November paid $500m for a 10 per cent stake in City Football Group, the parent company of Manchester City and sister clubs around the world.

As part of the deal, Oak View said it will pay an annual lease payment worth millions of pounds to CFG.

Tim Leiweke, Oak View co-founder and chief executive, said the private equity group’s stake in CFG “puts a little more pressure on me now because [Silver Lake] are both sides of this equation as a tenant and a landlord”.

If the Manchester project gets the go ahead from the city’s planning authorities it could boost income at CFG at a critical time. Earlier this month Manchester City was banned from the Champions League, Europe’s top club competition, for two seasons after Uefa, European football’s governing body, said the club had committed “serious breaches” of its so-called financial fair play regulations. The move could result in lost revenues of up to £200m and the club is appealing the sanction.

The proposed venue is contentious. SMG, the operator of the Manchester Arena, a 21,000 capacity city-centre venue which was bombed in a terrorist attack in 2017, argues there is not enough demand for two big arenas in the city.

Oak View’s planning application will be heard by Manchester City Council, which has also faced criticism from local protesters and rival developers over its close ties with the football club’s Abu Dhabi-based owner. The land on which the arena will be built is owned by a joint venture between Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) and the council, which has a 20 per cent stake.

The critics argue that the local authority has given preferential treatment to ADUG and other companies owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan, the billionaire who controls Manchester City, in deals that allowed them to amass a property portfolio worth more than £300m in the city.

Sir Richard Leese, council leader, said: "Abu Dhabi United Group has demonstrated consistent commitment to the ongoing regeneration of east Manchester which has delivered real benefits for Manchester people. It is, however, a myth that they have been treated differently to other investors. We don't do sweetheart deals."

Mr Leiweke said Oak View is fully funding its project without asking for taxpayer subsidies which are common with similar building projects elsewhere in the world.

“We don’t look at [Manchester Arena] as the competition,” he said. “We believe both arenas will be available to exist and find a place and niche that will be their part of the marketplace. Their success or failure has little impact on our vision and the return on the investment we’re making.”

Oak View was founded in 2015 by Mr Leiweke, who once ran AEG, the world’s biggest arena operator, and Irving Azoff, former chief executive of online ticket seller Ticketmaster and Live Nation, the event producer. The group is also developing arenas in Seattle, New York and Milan.

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The attitude that because China is building new airports, there is no point us caring about the environmental impact of expanding airports here, is nuts. Where does that lead, if we all decide there is no point trying to curb emissions and preserve a habitable environment because no one else is doing so? The only way other countries are going to take notice is if we lead by example.
China or India wont give a flying F..k what we do. You've got to have sensible environmental policys but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. A new motorway is badly needed between Manchester and Sheffield. The Woodhead route is one degree up from the Romans. There are also other road schemes that need building. There's no chance after this ruling, If the tree huggers have there way.
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Eastlands Arena update.(of sorts)

The proposed Arena site next to the Etihad Football Stadium.



Updated CGI's released this Morning. (originally posted by JBGee)



More information on the Arena proposal.



A bit more detail of the inside of the arena. Enlarged the cgi.


Financial Times.[/QUOTE]

This will be superb, another World Class Facility in Manchester, and of course as the City grows, this will be much needed, the Site is well connected by tram, the Airport is only 12 miles away, and of course once HS2/3 (Highspeed Train Services) arrives in Manchester it will be extremely well served by both International and Domestic connectivity.
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