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Old August 12th, 2007, 02:29 PM   #21
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The new design is goofy. Why combine the classic columns at the bottom with the weird modern building above it and the roof behind it? The prior design that was scrapped would look way better.
The new roof looks good but I'd have preffered the neo classical enterance to be left alone.

Its good to see some really big stadiums like this and the new Shaktar one being used for the european championships. No offenece to Switzerland and Austria, there great places to visit and I'm sure all the other infrastructure will be top notch but the stadiums there using are just too small for an event of this scale IMHO. I managed to get six tickets to euro 2004 yet only got one for euro 2008 and ended up cancilling the entire trip as a result.
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big stadium,small stadium great stadiums.

You hit the nail on the head. A championship is not just about getting in the stadium. In fact thats just 30-80,000 people out of millions who will watch the football. Euro 2008 will be a great atmosphere, Switz and Austria are clean and safe with great transport infrastructure and at that time of year the climate should be excellent. Time and time again on Skyscrapercity I see posters who think every championship should be played in a country with ten 80,000 seater stadiums. Then they post about white elephant stadiums that are too big with no crowds! I have been to games where 500 away supporters generated more atmosphere than 70,000 home fans! At such important finals believe me that 30,000 fans can generate an amazing atmoshpere. Also 80,000 seaters usually come with running tracks. I would hope all posters on this site have realised by now that a stadium can be great if its capacity is 1500 or 150000! It depends on location, history atmosphere who plays there all sorts of things not just size!
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You hit the nail on the head. A championship is not just about getting in the stadium. In fact thats just 30-80,000 people out of millions who will watch the football. Euro 2008 will be a great atmosphere, Switz and Austria are clean and safe with great transport infrastructure and at that time of year the climate should be excellent. Time and time again on Skyscrapercity I see posters who think every championship should be played in a country with ten 80,000 seater stadiums. Then they post about white elephant stadiums that are too big with no crowds! I have been to games where 500 away supporters generated more atmosphere than 70,000 home fans! At such important finals believe me that 30,000 fans can generate an amazing atmoshpere. Also 80,000 seaters usually come with running tracks. I would hope all posters on this site have realised by now that a stadium can be great if its capacity is 1500 or 150000! It depends on location, history atmosphere who plays there all sorts of things not just size!
Personally my own feeling is that the #1 factor in any event should be the fans and if they can't even get tickets everything else is irrelevant. If you can't provide good high capacity stadiums without building white elphants then perhaps you shouldnt be bidding at all?
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Unfortunately the number one thing is fans but not those attending the stadiums. Its the armchair fans-the number one thing for any event in our time is tv and sponsorship. It is of little importance to tv and sponsors how big a stadium is. It is of importance as to what country and time zone an event will be held to allow for global tv scheduling.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #25
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Unfortunately the number one thing is fans but not those attending the stadiums. Its the armchair fans-the number one thing for any event in our time is tv and sponsorship. It is of little importance to tv and sponsors how big a stadium is. It is of importance as to what country and time zone an event will be held to allow for global tv scheduling.
Add to that politics and you've got the cocktail thats slowely killing international football.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #26
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I saw this story on bbc.co.uk and thought it was worth sharing on this thread. It seems from this that the Kiev stadium may be hindered by the neighbouring retail development. I'd heard that there was one but understood that the developments were joint, not that one may threaten the other.

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Euro 2012 sets Ukraine tough test
By Helen Fawkes, BBC correspondent in Kiev

Communist-era stadiums need to be upgraded for Euro 2012
The industrial heart of eastern Ukraine was glowing in a beautiful sunset as local heroes Shakhtar Donetsk took on their arch-rivals Dinamo Kiev.

Yet the Soviet-era stadium looked small and a bit too old-fashioned for Shakhtar Donetsk, one of the country's top teams.

There are concerns that Ukraine may not be ready in time for the Uefa European Football Championships in 2012, which it will co-host with Poland.

It will be the most prestigious project that Ukraine has ever co-hosted, and it is expected to attract thousands of fans.

But there are fears that the politicians here do not have their eye on the ball.

Donetsk is one of four host cities in Ukraine. All of the venues were built by the communists, and they are well past their best, needing to be replaced or renovated.

Ukraine has faced one political crisis after another and now the country is preparing for a general election.

"The most difficult thing will be to change the attitude, to make the authorities look in the direction of football and start paying attention to the country's infrastructure," says Dmitriy Chigrinsky, a player for Shakhtar Donetsk and Ukraine.

"It's no secret that our country needs serious modernisation," Dmitriy adds.

Ukraine is one of the poorest places in Europe. Now it has to spend billions of dollars preparing for the championships.

With vast distances between the Euro 2012 venues, transport is a top priority. Ukraine's trains are cheap but not exactly fast, as the network has not changed much since Soviet times.

A journey from Gdansk, one of the Polish venues, to Donetsk can take more than 40 hours.

And the alternatives are not much better. Ukraine only has one motorway and many roads are in desperate need of repair. The country's airports are all due to be modernised, and there is also a real shortage of hotels.

As if all that was not bad enough, there is a row over the venue for the final.

It is supposed to be held in the centre of Kiev, but a half-built shopping centre looms right next to the stadium gates - and the developers are refusing to knock it down. If it stays, the final will have to be played elsewhere.

Despite all these problems there is a confident mood at the headquarters of Ukraine's Football Federation in the capital.

Hryhoriy Surkis is optimistic Euro 2012 will be a success

"If I wasn't an optimist I would never have dared to start such a project.

"Some people called it naive, they were sure it would be impossible for us to win the right to co-host the event. But we did win," says Hryhoriy Surkis, the president of Ukraine's Football Federation.

"We are now working hard to turn the fairy tale into reality," he says.

There are some positive signs. Two brand-new stadiums are starting to take shape in eastern Ukraine. One of the venues is being funded by Ukraine's richest man, the football-mad billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, for his team Shakhtar Donetsk.

Designed by a British architect, it will have a glass roof and promises to be one of the best stadiums in Europe.

The Ukrainian President, Viktor Yushchenko, has said that a co-ordination council will be set up with Poland.

It is due to meet in September to discuss a range of issues including joint infrastructure projects, and it will apply for support from the European Union.

Even so this former Soviet republic still faces a massive task to prepare for Euro 2012. It will be a race against time to complete all the work needed.

"Ukrainians are very proud to be co-hosting the championships. I am certain we can do it and we can do it well.

"This is about more than just football. If the tournament goes well then it could well boost our chances of becoming part of the EU," says a Ukrainian football fan, Maxim Simoroz.

With so much at stake the country cannot afford to fail.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 05:48 PM   #27
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Well a French company conducted an expertise and declared that that shopping centre (or whatever it is) is not going to be in the way of evacuation of people from the stadium, so problem solved.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 06:40 PM   #28
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Yes, the whole article is written by an amateur craving sensationalism, we discussed it in the other thread.
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Old August 15th, 2007, 08:47 AM   #29
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Yes, the whole article is written by an amateur craving sensationalism, we discussed it in the other thread.
Indeed you see the samereporting before almost every major event with every little rumour blown up into a "crisis!".
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Old October 29th, 2007, 01:43 PM   #30
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I read this article today:

Football federation decided that the territory of Expocentre Ukraine is the most suitable place for building a stadium for the European championship, but the Expocentre staff is against it.

According to the president of Ukrainian Football Federation (UFF) Hrihoriy Surkis, the Expocentre Ukraine option is the only one, reports Delo newspaper.

The territory of Expocentre is on the balance sheet of State Administration of Affairs which needs to give its consent to city administration about using the land for stadium construction.

However, the opposing staff of the centre can disrupt the construction on the territory of Expocentre Ukraine. Moreover, the stadium construction contradicts the complex program of Expocentre Ukraine development approved by the Cabinet of Ministers in 2004.

According to the information of Expocentre Ukraine investment projects and construction organization department head Nina Kalibanska, Ukrainian State Institute of City Planning (USCP) never received an order on the revision of construction on the territory of Expocentre.

Moreover, USCP denies the opportunity of building a sport facility in the abovementioned place. “Just as with the Olimpiysky National Sport Complex (NSC), the access to the stadium will be limited,” cites Ms. Kalibanska the institute specialists.

On Thursday a German company Hochtief presented its project on reconstruction of Olimpiysky NSC. According to the project, the capacity of main sport arena of the country will increase up to 87 thousand people: 73 thousand seats for spectators and 14 thousand more for the stadium personnel.

The project also envisages covering Olimpiysky with a huge glass dome. According to the Minister of Family, Youth and Sport Affairs Viktor Korzh, Hochtief company reconstructed stadiums in Berlin and Köln before the world football championship.

At the same time, the threat of reconstructed Olimpiysky not hosting the final match of Euro 2012 remains. The reason lies in construction of a mall in front of the stadium. The UEFA specialists stipulated that such neighborhood contradicts the football arena safety requirements.

At the session of coordination council on preparation and holding final part of Euro 2012 the proposal of Mr. Surkis on disassembling the unfinished construction was supported by the president. He addressed Kyiv mayor with a demand to solve this disassembling issue.

At the same time, Leonyd Chernovetsky claimed that UFF representatives didn’t discuss the destiny of Olimpiysky with him: “UFF is somewhat nervous about it [construction] but I didn’t have the honor to meet its representatives for discussing this issue. Otherwise I would have made a decision long ago.”

According to the information of the publication, another construction except mall is also planned near the stadium. When told about it Mr. Chernovetsky replied that he doesn’t track every object in the city.

However, he noted that there are some “unclear issues” around the stadium. “I was told that there are some interests. But I can’t say anything in detail,” stated the mayor.

Source: Ukrayinska Pravda



My question now: Is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a brandnew football stadium, not in Olympiysky? What's new about Olympiysky and that shopping mall that is being built close to it?
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Its the London Olympic stadium! It seems to be popping up everywhere! Oh well another standard uninspiring but functional design! Good news is at lest noe Donetsk will still be by far the best stadium in Eastern Europe both in design inspiration and functionality!
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Is it for real? Are we gonna see another Luz-Emirates "who came first" debate with this one?
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Its the London Olympic stadium! It seems to be popping up everywhere! Oh well another standard uninspiring but functional design! Good news is at lest noe Donetsk will still be by far the best stadium in Eastern Europe both in design inspiration and functionality!
Only this one is 85 years older.
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I repeat my question: is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a new Dynamo Kiew Stadium instead of Olympiyski?
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I repeat my question: is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a new Dynamo Kiew Stadium instead of Olympiyski?
Both stadium's will have games played on them, however Olympiyskyi will host the final as it is going to be a 5-star venue seating 70 000 people, when all that is known about new stadium is that it is going to be from 50 to 60k and the place it's going to be situated at. It is not necesary that the new arena is going to be Dynamo's, Kyiv's other major club Arsenal Kyiv is looking to build a new arena too.
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I can't imagine the UEFA to allow two stadiums in Kiew which means five altogether in the Ukraine.
Is it sure that this new stadium will be built? What are the latest news about Olympiyskyi and this shopping-mall?
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I can't imagine the UEFA to allow two stadiums in Kiew which means five altogether in the Ukraine.
Is it sure that this new stadium will be built? What are the latest news about Olympiyskyi and this shopping-mall?
UEFA does allow more than one stadium per city, however the number of matches per city will not increase in Kyiv, the matches will be shared between two stadiums.

Mall will be demolished, and it's underground section will be adjusted into a car park of the arena. Both Prime-minister and the president have signed documents to demolish it, the only question now is the sum of compensation given to the investor of the mall.
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So capacity will be 87.000?
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So capacity will be 87.000?
No this project is going to have about 70-75k.
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