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Old August 11th, 2017, 12:04 PM   #21
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My cousin just overheard person behind
"I just heard about this Melbourne twin office somewhere 70 levels I don't know where put it? oh I think both go to 280 metre I guess and 4 Billions dollars for office?"
Thank my cousin who put note while listening someone
Look like won't get two 70 levels in one decade
Probably just idea too early discussion about this... no thread for now
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I'm not a fan. The Rialto Towers is such an iconic timeless building that screams 'Melbourne'. It would be a shame to see it blocked from the Yarra River, even partly. Easily one of the best buildings in Australia.

80 Collins and Wesley Place look fab though.
Such is the case as Melbourne's skyline densifies to a level not before seen in this country.

As with most everything else in the central grid, Rialto will be surrounded, although still retain a fairly significant exposure purely given the 'protection' it's mantle receives by the Yarra (overshadowing of north bank), which limits the height of most of those in the immediate vicinity.
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Old August 11th, 2017, 12:13 PM   #22
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yes i didnt realise melbourne had lots office uc, but as i mentioned not tall buildings just your mid rise.
Sydney has the 263m Circular quay tower which will be australias tallest office tower. It starts demoltion in sept.
Another 235m+ is set to be lodged nearby which will be a landmark too.
Also the massive 100,000sqm /230m Cockle bay wharf tower, all 3 are office towers, so good for the economy.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 03:56 AM   #23
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yes i didnt realise melbourne had lots office uc, but as i mentioned not tall buildings just your mid rise.
Sydney has the 263m Circular quay tower which will be australias tallest office tower. It starts demoltion in sept.
Another 235m+ is set to be lodged nearby which will be a landmark too.
Also the massive 100,000sqm /230m Cockle bay wharf tower, all 3 are office towers, so good for the economy.
Are there any more images for Circular Quay tower?

This seems to be the only decent image at the moment:



Also, the super tall top floor, any ideas what that is? Public space? I assume that will change. How will BMU work?
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I quickly put this list together
Currently uc
Is this right

Building. City. Height storeys
80collins st. Melb. 187m. 36
300 George st. Bris. 182. 41
Vic police hq. Melb. 171. 42
477 Collins st. Melb. 165. 40
Parra square 6. Parra. 154. 34
1 Denison. St. nth Syd. 156. 39
100 Mount st. nth Syd. 149. 38
Wesley place. Melb. 148. 35
60 Martin place. Syd. 139. 35
Wynyard place. Syd. 134. 34
Melb quarter. Melb. 122. 27
Here's the Brisbane office tower U/C from the list: 300 George St | 182m / 41st





U/C in the bottom right corner of this pic:

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Old August 13th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #25
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love its podium
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yes i didnt realise melbourne had lots office uc, but as i mentioned not tall buildings just your mid rise.
Sydney has the 263m Circular quay tower which will be australias tallest office tower. It starts demoltion in sept.
Another 235m+ is set to be lodged nearby which will be a landmark too.
Also the massive 100,000sqm /230m Cockle bay wharf tower, all 3 are office towers, so good for the economy.
so one tower that hasnt actually started yet...
another that hasnt even been LODGED yet...

jsut because 190m doesnt register nowadays on a melbourne radar due to the sheer scale of 200m+ towers going up doenst meant they aren't significant
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Old August 14th, 2017, 11:23 PM   #27
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Yeh 200m+ is a big building for office. Melb used to build so many in its hey day/ when was last 200m+?
Sydney now has a 300m+ office tower in the works.
It's all relevant towerdan-
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Old August 15th, 2017, 02:34 AM   #28
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Yeh 200m+ is a big building for office. Melb used to build so many in its hey day/ when was last 200m+?
Sydney now has a 300m+ office tower in the works.
It's all relevant towerdan-
The last Melbourne 200m office tower would be Telstra Corp (242 Exhibition St) if you include the spire way back in 1992.

Docklands has absolutely killed the tall office tower down here; NAB and ANZ went with huge ground-scrapers instead of going tall. Sad but true. However, there is a mini-renaissance in mid-height CBD office towers down here.

Tall residentials can have funkier smaller floor-plates so you can end up with far more interesting shapes. Aurora Melbourne Central could never exist as an office, those curves eat away rentable space. Hence, tall office towers usually end up being simple boxy type designs and usually 2,000sqm per floor. It is why the curvy Crown Sydney is far more spectacular than the boxy Circular Quay office tower (which I still like, but it is plain).

Personally I don't think the type of a building (hotel or residential or office or mixed) really matters at all. Tall is tall. Interesting is interesting.
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1992? wow. thats 25 years ago. shame, i think melb is due for a big office tower
anyway
another one planned for parramatta
120m 32 smith st
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1992? wow. thats 25 years ago. shame, i think melb is due for a big office tower
No, don't hold your breath.

There is a lot of Melbourne CBD office construction happening now (140m --> 187m); I can't see any scope for a 200m+ office tower at all down here. I say absolutely no chance. Sydney will be where the 200m+ happen in the medium term.

Rialto will rule as tallest Melbourne office tower (to roof), maybe for another couple decades.
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^whod a thought that when it went up in 1986? amazing
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^whod a thought that when it went up in 1986? amazing
True. Mind you, who'd have thought only 5 years ago that, in 3 or 4 years' time, there would be another 6 or 7 towers as tall or taller!?
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^whod a thought that when it went up in 1986? amazing
Ordered by skyline roof height, Rialto is going to go down the Melbourne height charts (potentially):
  • One Queensbridge ~326m (~324m + ~2m)
  • Australia 108 319m (317m + 2m)
  • Eureka Tower 300m (297m + 3m)
  • Aurora Melbourne Central 286m (269m + 17m)
  • West Side Place Tower A 282m (270m + 12m)
  • 35 Power St 282m (280m + 2m)
  • Queens Place T1 267m (246m + 21m)
  • Queens Place T2 267m (249m + 18m)
  • 383 LaTrobe St 267m (244m + 23m)
  • Victoria One 264m (247m + 17m)
  • Premier Tower 259m (249m + 10m)
  • Swanston Central 258m (237m + 21m)
  • West Side Place Tower D ~257m (~245m + ~12m)
  • Shangri-La by the Gardens 257m (231m + 26m)
  • Prima Pearl 256m (254m + 2m)
  • Rialto 253m (251m + 2m)
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WSP is gonna look way taller on the the skyline than I thought.
Out of interest what would be the skyline height of Nouvel's tower?
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WSP is gonna look way taller on the the skyline than I thought.
Out of interest what would be the skyline height of Nouvel's tower?
267m, listed as 383 LaTrobe Street above. Basically 3m taller than Victoria One.

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Yeh 200m+ is a big building for office. Melb used to build so many in its hey day/ when was last 200m+?
Sydney now has a 300m+ office tower in the works.
It's all relevant towerdan-
please provide evidence of this...

Sydney can't even get a proper 300m tower of ANY classification (Aspire was shrunk, reworked, then split into two towers and reworked again) let alone a 300m+ pure office tower
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Current CBD height limit for the CBD is 310 metres. A site in north of cbd was recently sold and just so happens to be in the zone which can go up to 310m Unfortunately, we've still got CASA and NIMBYs. Article way back in July 2016. Reposted
CBD boom time: City of Sydney says the only way is up
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Sydney's skyline will be dramatically transformed under a City of Sydney plan to send the central business district skywards, boosting the number and height of towers in the heart of the city and opening it to billions of dollars of commercial development.

Buildings could soar to heights of 310 metres, up from the current restriction of 235 metres, as part of a package that aims to lock in the city's economic future, encourage new commercial and retail spaces, and increase the supply of affordable housing.
The Central Sydney Planning strategy, which has taken the City three years to develop and is the most detailed planning review of the CBD in more than four decades, attempts to balance the city's residential property boom with the need to preserve and grow commercial, retail and cultural space.

The proposal would see "new tower clusters" emerge to reshape the city's skyline over the next two decades around Haymarket, the northern CBD near Circular Quay and to the west near Barangaroo.
City of Sydney lord mayor Clover Moore said: "We need to preserve and maintain what is positive and unique about our city, while reshaping its other attributes to meet the needs of tomorrow's Central Sydney."

Though the strategy is likely to be welcomed by developers eager to muscle in on prime real estate, the policy also attempts to curtail the current trend towards building towering residential apartments.
City of Sydney lord mayor Clover Moore said: "We need to preserve and maintain what is positive and unique about our city, while reshaping its other attributes to meet the needs of tomorrow's Central Sydney."

Though the strategy is likely to be welcomed by developers eager to muscle in on prime real estate, the policy also attempts to curtail the current trend towards building towering residential apartments.
Full articlehttp://http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cbd...13-gq4vhb.html
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please provide evidence of this...

Sydney can't even get a proper 300m tower of ANY classification (Aspire was shrunk, reworked, then split into two towers and reworked again) let alone a 300m+ pure office tower
i cant yet. but soon.
some parts of sydney cbd can go to 325m
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i cant yet. but soon.
some parts of sydney cbd can go to 325m
I thought it was up to 335m RL in some parts of the Sydney CBD? Or does it really very site to site? I think 505 George is 310m RL. Maybe the site of interest is 325m RL.

Note, radar from Sydney Airport is a challenge (at least for some sites) and crane penetration may be another challenge.

A supertall in the Sydney CBD is possible, but everything needs to align: city council, state planners, the developer and most importantly CASA. An architectural feature being the final boost (aka a stick) would ease the challenge. I can understand the scepticism of tower_dan, we have been here before with Aspire and 338 Pitt which both fizzled in the end due to CASA. The site needs to be perfect; maybe this time?

Serious question, do you have a PANS-OPS surface map for Sydney? Our knowledge of Sydney aviation limits is somewhat lacking; it would be good to update the PANS-OPS thread with details (same for Perth).

Anyway, I do look forward to this one; fingers crossed.
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Old August 18th, 2017, 05:11 AM   #40
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the panops and councils heights v fsr and setbacks v sun planes ect very confusing.
the 505G site is approved at 260m (262m from lowest part of site) and can add a 10m feature (270m) 272m from lowest part of site. which is RL290m is MAX height stated in DA. so maybe they have come down from 310mRL? this DA is having design comp atm
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