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Old April 21st, 2014, 04:33 PM   #7941
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I am sorry but why does it cost $2,000,000,000 to add 2 stations in a less developed area of Sydney? I mean I know everything in Australia is expensive but that is just ridiculous.

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The Carlingford line doesn't really exist - it's a joke line that isn't useable. So, no PERL would have added stations.


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Exactly. There is no point in it existing in its current state. This would actually bring life to Carlingford Railway Station and Suburb. Clyde is a useless connection for them.

Aside from CBDSELR and NWRL there are no projects that will cater to as many people as PERL :shrug:
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Old April 21st, 2014, 05:24 PM   #7942
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It's a 11km new rail line with three new stations including upgraded Glenfield. There are flyovers at Glenfield and multi storey car parks. There's a stabling facility for 20 trains at Leppington.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 05:02 AM   #7943
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They are also under budget as well. Not sure how many billions the project costs now but it should be under 2.

Edit: Just read the Transport for NSW media release that outlined that the project cost 2.1 billion but is now 100 million under budget. I guess we won't see this project dip under the 2 billion dollar mark.

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Old April 22nd, 2014, 05:34 AM   #7944
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And thats my bet too, they will open in March next year.

But until then, don't they have to do testing of the line to make sure all is set to go and then we have to adjust the timetable?
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 08:32 AM   #7945
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They are also under budget as well. Not sure how many billions the project costs now but it should be under 2.

Edit: Just read the Transport for NSW media release that outlined that the project cost 2.1 billion but is now 100 million under budget. I guess we won't see this project dip under the 2 billion dollar mark.
You won't get any prizes for saying the project was 1.9 bill. Best round it up to 2!
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 01:31 PM   #7946
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I still can't comprehend A) how it was worth it, B) how it cost that much and C) why they would favour it over other projects. Sydney needs a lesson in cost management when the whole Porto Light Metro cost less than an 11KM extension into a less-developed area of Western Sydney
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 01:52 PM   #7947
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The government has built a railway for additional 300,000 new residents in South West growth area. For once, we built a railway before housing.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 02:17 PM   #7948
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The government has built a railway for additional 300,000 new residents in South West growth area. For once, we built a railway before housing.
Now that is a good point
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 02:17 PM   #7949
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The government has built a railway for additional 300,000 new residents in South West growth area. For once, we built a railway before housing.

Agree.

I wouldn't be so worried about the number of stations. The line is 11km long. If it was on the north shore, it would be like Roseville, with seven or eight stations before it.

But they are learning. Overall transit time affected by unnecessary stops. No walk up demand, only drive or bus. Ample room for future expansion, unlike most earlier projects. Eg Cronulla 1939, absolutely a pain to expand.


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Old April 22nd, 2014, 02:40 PM   #7950
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In the future the line will be extended to Badgery Creek, where there are jobs. So already it will link people with jobs catering for 300,000 people.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 05:58 PM   #7951
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You won't get any prizes for saying the project was 1.9 bill. Best round it up to 2!
I'm not giving out prizes for something that's under budget when it was horrendously over-costed in the first place.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 02:29 AM   #7952
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No walk up demand, only drive or bus.
I agree with the rest of your post, but not this bit.

Why is having people drive to the station desirable?

They have done this in Perth. The lines to the far northern and southern suburbs have little walk-up patronage. But these lines are designed to service Perth's extensive low-density coastal sprawl without costing a fortune.

The design of the suburbs surrounding these stations in Sydney's south-west should allow for plenty of walk-up patronage. The road network should allow for an efficient, simple bus network. Car parks at the stations should be the least desired option, not a major aim.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 02:41 AM   #7953
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I agree with the rest of your post, but not this bit.

Why is having people drive to the station desirable?

They have done this in Perth. The lines to the far northern and southern suburbs have little walk-up patronage. But these lines are designed to service Perth's extensive low-density coastal sprawl without costing a fortune.

The design of the suburbs surrounding these stations in Sydney's south-west should allow for plenty of walk-up patronage. The road network should allow for an efficient, simple bus network. Car parks at the stations should be the least desired option, not a major aim.
I'm not saying it is desirable, any more than the Perth situation. But it is the situation, at least until a town centre is built at both locations.

I too would like to see the parking removed as the area consolidates.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 03:36 AM   #7954
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I hope they get the mix of density and planning right. Now that the rail will already be in there, there's a chance to create a really special model of suburbia out there. I'm dubious but we'll see.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 04:10 AM   #7955
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I think that is their plan. Also it is so much easier with the larger councils and both being greenfield sites.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 04:53 AM   #7956
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There is of course a difference between planning and the built form resulting from demand. There is planning for medium rise (up to 8-10 storeys IIRC around both SWRL stations), but current and near term projected demand means such structures are unlikely for quite a while.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 03:43 AM   #7957
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Disappointed that the NRL is expecting fans to fork out for public transport to attend this afternoons NRL Blockbuster Game at Allianz Stadium. They will do it for ANZ but not Allianz.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 09:43 AM   #7958
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Is this a surprise? The only location where event ticketing with included transport is ever available is Olympic Park.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 11:00 AM   #7959
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Disappointed that the NRL is expecting fans to fork out for public transport to attend this afternoons NRL Blockbuster Game at Allianz Stadium. They will do it for ANZ but not Allianz.
I went to the Storm vs Warriors game at AAMI Park yesterday and had to pay my fare for the train, what's the big deal about it?
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Old April 26th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #7960
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I agree with the rest of your post, but not this bit.

Why is having people drive to the station desirable?

They have done this in Perth. The lines to the far northern and southern suburbs have little walk-up patronage. But these lines are designed to service Perth's extensive low-density coastal sprawl without costing a fortune.

The design of the suburbs surrounding these stations in Sydney's south-west should allow for plenty of walk-up patronage. The road network should allow for an efficient, simple bus network. Car parks at the stations should be the least desired option, not a major aim.
It's not desirable in the more inner city suburbs (i.e. Bondi Junction, Strathfield, Chatswood), but in the outer suburbs where there is absolutely no need nor likelihood of people living in high densities like they do in the inner city, not to mention the roadspace for the drive-up and a car park to match, drive-up makes sense. People who live in areas like this most likely prefer the low density environment of these areas - there's no point trying to force them onto a multi-modal public transport trip if they don't want it. However - same people will still prefer the (generally) reliable journey a train offers over (less reliable) traffic conditions, if the train line is going where they want to go.
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