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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:19 AM   #1
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Australia's CBDs: Facts and figures

Does anyone know which Australian city has the largest CBD? Which CBD has the highest population density or the tallest average building height?
I can't seem to find a website that compares Australia's CBDs and think it would be interesting to see how they compare.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 10:35 AM   #2
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It doesn't include the whole CBD, especially if you consider the extended CBD that includes Southbank and Docklands, but the Hoddle Grid is exactly one mile by half a mile or roughly 1.3km^2.
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Melbourne i believe has the largest cbd in area.
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Melbourne i believe has the largest cbd in area.
No Adelaide is.

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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:04 AM   #5
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I'm particularly interested in the CBD square metre stats - especially the comparisons of regional/subregional CBDs like Parramatta, Ipswich, Newcastle, Cairns, Bendigo, Townsville, etc.

Tacked onto this, would you include watercourses and open space in the CBD stats? If so, Adelaide would be close to top spot.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #6
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I'm particularly interested in the CBD square metre stats - especially the comparisons of regional/subregional CBDs like Parramatta, Ipswich, Newcastle, Cairns, Bendigo, Townsville, etc.

Tacked onto this, would you include watercourses and open space in the CBD stats? If so, Adelaide would be close to top spot.
And not to include HUGE open spaces like Hyde Park in Sydney. Its not CBD - its a park!
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:19 AM   #7
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And not to include HUGE open spaces like Hyde Park in Sydney. Its not CBD - its a park!
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So should the definition of CBDs only constitute land zoned as commercial core? In order to get a result, we should set some parameters:

- No open space;
- No watercourses;
- Mixed use (i.e high-rise residential) in city included.

There are probably other land uses that have yet to be mentioned here, I suppose they will be pointed out in due course.

Now all we need is someone with a GIS program to give us an accurate figure...
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No car park either!
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:42 AM   #9
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No car park either!
If big ugly carparks were counted Melbourne would win easily.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #10
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I've done the calculations for Brisbane. The CBD is only about 1 square kilometre. About the smallest of Australia's capitals.

That includes the traditional CBD, North Quarter area and Petrie Bright around to the Story Bridge. Bordering streets are: Ivory, Turbot, Roma, Makerston, William, Alice, Eagle.

The widest point (along Ann St) is 1.4km. The narrowst (Alice St) is 600m. Longest (George St) is 1.1km and shortest (following path of Macrossan St) is 300m.

I'm pretty sure Brisbane qualifies for smallest CBD. I did some rough comparisons on Google Earth.

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I've done the calculations for Brisbane. The CBD is only 900 square metres. About the smallest of Australia's capitals.

That includes the traditional CBD, North Quarter area and Petrie Bright around to the Story Bridge. Bordering streets are: Ivory, Turbot, Roma, Makerston, William, Alice, Eagle.

The widest point (along Ann St) is 1.4km. The narrowst (Alice St) is 600m. Longest (George St) is 1.1km and shortest (following path of Macrossan St) is 300m.

I'm pretty sure Brisbane qualifies for smallest CBD. I did some rough comparisons on Google Earth.
I think you need to do some recalculating - 900m2 is roughly the size of 2 standard house blocks.

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And not to include HUGE open spaces like Hyde Park in Sydney. Its not CBD - its a park!
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this arguement comes around annually. sydneys hyde park is included because the CBD extends past college street which is other side of hyde park.
our boundary for CBd stats also runs down hospital rd which is same as college st.

anyway heres my quick summary
dont crucify me too much.

melbourne=1.5km (victoria st-flinders st) x 2.5km (harbour esp-spring st) (3.75sqkm)
adelaide=2.2km (west terrace-hutt st) x 1.6km sth terrace-north terrace) (3.5sqkm)
sydney=1.1km (d harbour -college st) x3km (circ quay-CUB site) (3.3sqkm)
perth=3km (mitchell hwy-waca) x600m (esplanade-wellington st) (1.8sqkm)
brisbane=1km (turbot st-alice st) x 1.5km (william st-boundary st) (1.5sqkm)
darwin-1.5km (daly st-kitchener dr) x 800m (esplanade-mcminnst) (1.2sqkm)
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Using your logic, all of West Melbourne is in the CBD.

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Hey Cul. Adelaides should be west - east terrace and south to north terrace. Hutt st is a fair distance away from east terrace. There for I imagine Adelaide's is the largest.

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this arguement comes around annually. sydneys hyde park is included because the CBD extends past college street which is other side of hyde park.
our boundary for CBd stats also runs down hospital rd which is same as college st.

anyway heres my quick summary
dont crucify me too much.


adelaide=2.2km (west terrace-hutt st) x 1.6km sth terrace-north terrace) (3.5sqkm)
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Perth & Sydney would have to have the skinniest CBD's. Sydney looks tiny from the south & so does Perth from the West.

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you cant count something like Hyde Park as part of the CBD, Brisbane might as well count the Brisbane River if thats the case.
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you cant count something like Hyde Park as part of the CBD, Brisbane might as well count the Brisbane River if thats the case.
Roma Street Parklands is part of Brisbane CBD. Technically Petrie Terrace is although Spring Hill with the same 4000 postcode, no separation and a CBD feel is not. Spring Hill is like an island surrounded "city".

By the way Brisbane is the only city in Australia where the CBD is referred to as "City" and not "Brisbane" like in other cities. There is in fact no Brisbane although they are looking at changing the name from "City" to "Brisbane".

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Using your logic, all of West Melbourne is in the CBD.

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victoria st until the peel st markets of course.dog leg it back down william st.
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you cant count something like Hyde Park as part of the CBD, Brisbane might as well count the Brisbane River if thats the case.
we include hyde park becuae its in CBd perimetre zone.

this is the CBD according to stats upstairs/
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This what I believe to be the Cairns CBD, and I think most would agree.




2.26 X 2.26 = 5.1076

That would have to be wrong though
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