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Old September 2nd, 2018, 06:23 AM   #22681
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The worst thing about Perth buses are the passengers. People hog the seats with their shopping and congregate at the entrances and exits rather than going to the back. Just home from Melbourne, tram passengers are better behaved. And it was so easy to walk up the escalators at the train stations with single file standing on the left.

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Old September 2nd, 2018, 07:05 AM   #22682
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Doubt it. Pretty sure new rolling stock being delivered at the moment is to the same specs as previous batch. Provided they use the longitudinal seating layout trains on the FAL, there won't be much of an issue as the layout is already pretty spacious. Just might mean luggage strewn all over the aisle.
It wouldnt cost much to retrofit a few luggage racks in some carriages tho where the standing room is..The issue is the general use of those trains . You would want them only on the FAL route and not elsewhere. I think they might be tempted tho if it proves popular as chasing rolling suitcases down aisles wouldnt be fun...
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 07:54 AM   #22683
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Just home from Melbourne, tram passengers are better behaved.
You really sure? I can't even count the number of times that I got on one to find it was packed with people standing near the doorways yet there were empty seats further down, inaccessible due to the door cloggers...

And then there were the ones who treat the rear half of an articulated tram like it's a spaceship that's about to blast off to the moon, and insist on crushing into the front half whilst the rear has seats begging.

The same thing happens with 6-car trains. Football crowds were particularly bad for this - on the line I used to live on a few years ago all the main stations had entries/exits at the middle, so it seemed that cars 3/4 contained about 60% of people on the whole train at times. It used to be good standing down the end of the platform, seeing all the standees crushed into cars 3/4, then hopping into car 6 and having a choice of seats

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And it was so easy to walk up the escalators at the train stations with single file standing on the left.
Wait, they don't do that in Perth!?
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 11:25 AM   #22684
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They're getting better, but not always. I got abused a while ago for suggesting that a young lady move to the left so I could get past. But generally people will move if they see you walking up the right hand side. Like with merging, we're getting better.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 11:26 AM   #22685
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Still shit at indicating off roundabouts though, that has taken over from merging as the new Perth road incompetence.

With the escalators, it's when people are in groups or pairs that their consciousness of their surroundings decreases seemingly and they're more likely to block thoroughfares.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 11:32 AM   #22686
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Perth commuters are pretty good with sticking to the left on escalators. It's the weekend crowd/non-daily commuters who struggle with it.

If no one moves for me, I just push past them. No fks given here...
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 11:34 AM   #22687
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Patronage drops again (trains are up though)-

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/tra...-ng-b88944551z

I catch PT 3 days a week now. Love it for most part.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 12:33 PM   #22688
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Like with merging, we're getting better.
How do Perth people merge? I was in Canberra recently where the local drivers are masters of driving at 60 in a 100 zone on an on-ramp, can they be that bad?
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 12:39 PM   #22689
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Speed isn't the main factor, leaving space for one car in front of you is the main thing people can't manage. We're getting better at not rushing to the bottleneck without leaving space for one car. Much better actually, it's quite marked.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 12:49 PM   #22690
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How do Perth people merge? I was in Canberra recently where the local drivers are masters of driving at 60 in a 100 zone on an on-ramp, can they be that bad?
Better now they've painted lines and arrows. People still can't grasp keeping left unless overtaking on the FWY though.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 01:42 PM   #22691
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Still shit at indicating off roundabouts though, that has taken over from merging as the new Perth road incompetence.
Don't get me started. Nothing sets off my rageaholism than people indicating RIGHT---then left when going straight at a roundabout.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 02:18 PM   #22692
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They don't. It's either some risky overtaking procedure involving speed or the cars mull about due to indecision and create a bottleneck.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 03:45 PM   #22693
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Don't get me started. Nothing sets off my rageaholism than people indicating RIGHT---then left when going straight at a roundabout.
At least they indicate off, that is the main thing. The comment from police is that you don't have to indicate on for the straight-thru, but you can out of courtesy. The main thing is indicating off, so the other people waiting, can go.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 04:12 PM   #22694
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Old September 3rd, 2018, 03:56 AM   #22695
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Patronage drops again (trains are up though)-

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/tra...-ng-b88944551z

I catch PT 3 days a week now. Love it for most part.
Would be interesting to see what the statistics are on inner city workers. I doubt people are abandoning public transport for their cars. Surely the decline is just less CBD workers than at the height of the mining boom.
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Old September 3rd, 2018, 11:19 AM   #22696
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Peter Newman discussing PT ATM on ABC radio.
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Old September 3rd, 2018, 12:18 PM   #22697
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Article reeks of native ad. All optimism.

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Old September 3rd, 2018, 03:24 PM   #22698
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Isn't this just a long driverless bus?
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Old September 3rd, 2018, 04:03 PM   #22699
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Its a driverless bendy bus.

But lets be honest - it will be many years before a driverless bus gets to drive in shared traffic in Perth, and no-one will be building separate roads for it. So its essentially a bendy bus.
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Old September 4th, 2018, 09:45 AM   #22700
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Would be a good upgrade for the 950 route I reckon (especially if you extend the route to EQ). Or down Scarborough beach road.
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