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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #1
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Foro svizzero in Italiano?

Ciao!

Sapete se c'è un foro svizzero in Italiano?

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Old August 26th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #2
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Sarebbe stato bello, ma è da tanto che cerco però ce solo in tedesco.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #3
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Perché non si fa un thread in questa sezzione?
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Old August 26th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #4
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Sarà perche di persone che abitano in svizzera italiana sono poche, però sarebbe bello avere una sezione dedicata al ticino e i suoi progetti, ultimamente vedo tante gru e palazzi sottocostruzione a lugano ma nessuna informazione al riguardo.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #5
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was heisst das auf Deutsch?

wollt ihr etwa ein schweizerisches Subforum für euch Tesiner machen?

naja wir verstehen dann auch nix mehr, können ja auf Englisch kommunizieren...
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Old August 28th, 2008, 10:56 AM   #6
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was heisst das auf Deutsch?

wollt ihr etwa ein schweizerisches Subforum für euch Tesiner machen?

naja wir verstehen dann auch nix mehr, können ja auf Englisch kommunizieren...
Fast schon ein wenig frech deine Aussage! Italienisch gehört ebenfalls zu einer der 4 Landessprachen. Die Tessiner sind meine Freunde, da ich aus GR komme!
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #7
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Um die Frage zu beantworten: Ja, es geht darum ob es ein ital.sprachiges Schweiz-Forum gibt. Anbieten würde es sich ja, hier einfach einen Thread aufzumachen, oder?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #8
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Ich finde es halt schade, weil ich dann nicht wirklich mit ihnen reden kann, darum ist mir ein englisches Subforum lieber, wo alle zusammen reden könnten, würde dann auch vielleicht einige Welsche anlocken und wäre insgesamt eine Bereicherung für das Forum.

Müssten vielleicht mal im Frankreich Forum nachforschen ob es dort ein paar exil-Schweizer gibt die bei uns halt nicht mitreden konnten.

Aber wenn ihr unbedingt ein Italiensichen Forum oder Thread wollte, ich unterstütze es!
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Old August 30th, 2008, 09:57 AM   #9
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Well i speak very good English, having lived in England for 10 years. I think making the main language for the Swiss forum English is a good idea, not everyone that lives in Switzerland knows all 3 languages, also for outsiders who would like to view our Swiss forum, English would have to be the main language for communication, many times have i had to use a translator to understand a certain language in certain threads here, for example, ive had to use a translator now to read the few posts above written in German. So anyway, i think having the main language in English would be suitable for all and would cause any problems.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:03 PM   #10
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^ I've been debating this at the European mod table as well.

It'd make more sense to just have an English sub-section for 'Exile Swiss' such as you and the international audience as well.

Would that be suitable for you Swiss forumers?
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Old September 3rd, 2008, 10:44 AM   #11
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Unterwasserparkhaus in Morcote

Unterwasserparkhaus in Morcote nimmt konkrete Formen an

Morcote (sda) Im idyllisch am Luganersee gelegenen Dorf Morcote sollen künftig keine Autos mehr am Seeufer parkieren. Stattdessen will die Gemeinde ein Parkhaus unter dem Seespiegel errichten. Die Kosten dafür werden auf über 20 Millionen Franken geschätzt.

In einem ersten Schritt wollen die Gemeindebehörden nun eine Betriebsgesellschaft gründen, die mit einem Aktienkapital von 500 000 Franken ausgestattet werden soll.

Zudem beantragt die Exekutive beim Gemeinderat noch einen Kredit in der Höhe von 909 000 Franken zum Kauf der entsprechenden Grundstücke, wie man der Botschaft entnehmen kann, die am Dienstagabend der Bevölkerung vorgestellt wurde.

Die Pläne für das Unterwasserparkhaus stammen vom Architekten Mario Botta. Es soll Platz für 274 Autos bieten. Ein Ausgang für die Fussgänger würde über eine künstliche Insel ins Dorf führen.

Beliebte Touristendestination

Geplant ist, den 130 Meter langen und 30 Meter hohen Betonkörper in Melano am Südende des Sees zu bauen. Anschliessend soll er auf dem Seeweg nach Morcote transportiert und dort im Wasser versenkt werden. Der Zugang für die Autos soll durch einen Tunnel erfolgen.

Ist das Unterwasserparkhaus einmal in Betrieb, sollen die bestehenden Parkplätze entlang dem Ufer eliminiert werden. Die Behörden des 739-Einwohner- Dorfes möchten stattdessen die Fussgängerzone ausbauen und so den Uferbereich aufwerten.

Morcote gilt als eines der schönsten Dörfer im Tessin. Der früher wichtige Handelsort mit seiner schönen Lage am Hang, den Palazzi, einer monumentalen Treppe mit 404 Stufen, Kirchen und Arkaden ist ein viel besuchtes touristisches Ziel.

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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:01 PM   #12
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^ I've been debating this at the European mod table as well.

It'd make more sense to just have an English sub-section for 'Exile Swiss' such as you and the international audience as well.

Would that be suitable for you Swiss forumers?
Passt des so?
Thats would be ok by me
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Old September 4th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #13
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passt scho

ca me convient

it's ok for me too

muy bien (ups das war ja spanisch)
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Old September 7th, 2008, 01:39 PM   #14
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Okay, guys. Actually, to me, it's not the best solution. To be honest, I was already a long time dissatisfied with the standing of the Swiss Subforum here at SSC.

How is the situation?

SSC basically has the global dicussions on cities, skyscrapers, infrastructures etc. and the regional/country forae. The country forae are advertised
in two ways - most of them have the name of a country like "Japan", "Bulgaria", "UAE" etc.. A smaller number of them is titled on a language:
"Francophone", "Albanian" or "Urban in German".

Yesterday I took a look at all these forae and the big conclusion is that language titles are in a way fake. In reality there is no difference between the
forae titled on languages and the ones titled on regions. The "language" forae are 95% focused on one country - eg. "francophone" on France. They do
have a section "Rest of the World", but so do also forae named after countries. There is no difference between the two.

Concerning the language, there are three types of country/language forae:
1) predominantly English with a little bit of national language
2) English / national language mixed
3) predominantly national language with a little bit English

The biggest part of country forae are predominantly English. This includes nearly all Asian countries, African countries and the Middle East. In Europe
all the Scandinavian and Baltic countries are predominantly English, plus Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, and Czech Republic.

The "mixed" country forae are Indonesia, Turkey, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Macedonia.

Predominantly in the national language are most (but not all!) forae named after languages like France - plus Spain, Latin American countries, Russia, Iran
and Angola.

A special case is Belgium where most forae (also about Brussels) are predominantly Flaams (Dutch), but the forum on Liège/Wallonie is predominantly French.

The main conclusion is that in SSC, no matter how you structure it, through the habits of users naturally evolves only ONE forum where a certain city/region is discussed!! If somebody wants to discuss about a certain city, he looks for the place in SSC where there is the biggest number of users also interested in it. This is logical as it really doesn't make sense to discuss the same stuff in two places at the same time. The number of users dicussing in each place would be decreased and discussions less interesting and informative.

First step is the content to discuss about. Second step is then to find a solution about the language to dicuss about the content. This depends on the
language ability of the users involved, the language situation in the country and last but not least the international interest. Dubai forum eg. is completely
in English because the international interest in it is very high whereas Angola is in the national language.

What does it mean now for the Swiss forum?

First of all, it is very strange that our forum is located in the "German" section. If you go on the SSC overview page there exists no Switzerland Forum and it's not clear where it could be located. In this way, we lose a lot of interest and discussions with people from all around the world!!

Once more: Albania, Slovakia, Slovenia or Bosnia Herzegovina all have an own forum under Euroscrapers - Switzerland not!!

Secondly: there are many countries in the world with several languages, Switzerland is one of them and it is even considered by some as a role model in terms of the status and rights of the different languages and how we deal with it. And then we put Switzerland in SSC as a subforum in the "German" section? It's completely absurd!

Even Kazakhstan or Ukraine users who have been part of USSR not long ago have been very keen on their own distinctive forum (Kazakhstan forum now being even located in another continent then Russia). And we who don't even speak real German and have never been part of Germany are somewhere hidden in the "German" section?

The Francophone and Italiano sections have despite their name NO SWISS SUBFORUM! So where should the Romands and Ticinesi go to discuss on Swiss issues?

And as I said: it doesn't make sense to discuss a topic in different places with a small number of people. That's why it also doesn't make sense to have
an English-speaking Subsection in the "German" Swiss Subforum as suggested by Erbsenzaehler. What would be dicussed there? The same stuff but with less people, less information, less activity? It doesn't work...

So in order to unite all Swiss users and also more users from around the world interested in Swiss projects, and have more lively discussions with more users, I suggest the following:

-> visibility: Switzerland needs an own forum which is visible in SSC on the same level like the other European countries either as an own European Forum
(like Belgium) or at least as an own forum under "Euroscrapers" (like Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Albania etc.)
-> language: this mostly develops on its own, but I would suggest to move slowly but surely to write predominantly in English - at the same time our beloved national languages would still be allowed as well, of course - especially in terms of posting original texts from various sources (no need to translate newspaper articles in German or French - we understand it, and who doesn't, can use an online translator)

The next question then would be: what happens with all the nice threads we already have? My suggestion: keep them and move them to the new Switzerland forum. We just move slowly, but surely to English in an evolutionary way, but still can continue the threads started in German or another language. The only thing needed would be in some cases to include an English expression in the Thread title, like they do it in many other country sections as well.

That's my 5 pence. What do you think?
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O Vey. It'd make sense to have an independent Swiss forum, for sure.
But I think it's the wrong way to turn it into an English speaking one.


However, I'll adress this to the administration of SSC.
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Old September 7th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #18
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wenngleich es aus deutschsprachiger Sicht eher schade wäre.

so haben wir die deutschen Sprachen in einem Pool (Urban in German) zusammen und für jedermann hier leicht verfügbar.

ob sich ein nicht-schweizer der der deutschen Sprache mächtig ist, immer "hinaus" klickt ins Euroscrapers ... ist fraglich
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Old September 7th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #19
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The fact about the Swiss forum is so true, when i first signed up on SSC, i didn't even know there was a Swiss forum, not only that, but when i decided to see if there in fact, was one, i couldn't find it, i then realised it was under the German section. So for Switzerland to have it's own independant forum is in my opinion the best idea of them all. As for the language, it's not really an important factor as there are translators on the internet, but still, in my opinion it would be best to use 1 international language, in this case English, to all communicate.
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First of all, it is very strange that our forum is located in the "German" section.
Urban in German.... not Urban in Germany. It's about the language, not the country. And like the two other countries Germany and Austria, Switzerland is also located in "The world in German". There isn't even a difference between those three.

I'd understand if you ask for one section for every official language of Switzerland. But the german-speaking part would either way remain here. There'd be just some additional swiss sections for example in an italian-speaking forum.

But do swiss people really want to be scattered all over SSC? This would be important if we had hundreds of swiss forumers here from all across the country. But as far as I know, that's simply not the case.

Btw, I'm neutral at this topic. I just think that some of the last posts a la "OMFG swiss forum is in the german section" were very... weird and far from reality. As I said, the german-speaking part would be here either way.
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