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Old June 7th, 2019, 09:17 AM   #11581
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Old June 7th, 2019, 09:23 AM   #11582
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UK official in charge of Brexit border plans resigns
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The government official in charge of delivering “frictionless” Brexit border arrangements, including emergency plans for Dover and Ireland in the event of no deal, has quit just two years into her job.

Karen Wheeler, director general of Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs Brexit border delivery group, was the lead official coordinating a cross-Whitehall response involving police, ports, customs and freight interests.

Her departure is being seen as a blow to the government and increasing the risk that the UK will not be as prepared for a possible no deal on 31 October.

“Nothing is happening in Whitehall now. Lots of people have been stood down on Brexit no-deal preparations and there is a general risk that people are just going to see this hiatus as an opportunity to clear off and go into the private sector,” said a source who knows Wheeler.
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Jon Thompson, HMRC’s chief executive, said in a statement: “I would like to thank Karen for her outstanding work leading the Border Delivery Group to prepare the UK for EU exit and we wish her well for her retirement. We shall be announcing her successor in due course.”

Thompson is seen as one of the most brutally honest Whitehall officials in relation to the realities of Brexit, and his openness in multiple appearances in House of Commons select committees warning of ballooning costs of border arrangements has had a knock-on effect in the culture of the department.

It meant officials were unafraid of politically inconvenient truths, including Wheeler, who earlier this year said there were no magic technological solutions for preventing a hard border with Ireland in the event of no deal.

Wheeler said the UK would need a customs union with the EU, plus something that looked like a single market, to have completely free movement of goods across the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland. She was appointed as director general for border coordination at HMRC on 3 July 2017.

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Old June 7th, 2019, 11:42 AM   #11583
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Didn't Bowater once said that he works as consultant?

I can now understand why he supports Brexit so much

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48547813

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Preparing for Brexit has cost the UK government £97m in consultancy fees, the National Audit Office has revealed.

The money has been spent on hiring external experts because government departments lack the staff and skills needed, the NAO said.

It criticised the government for a lack of transparency, saying details of contracts had not been published in a timely fashion.

It also said the bill was higher than disclosed by the Cabinet Office.
Obviously I'm not implying anything



Before shitstorm starts... let me make it abundantly clear, it is just a joke

Like the whole Brexit
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Old June 7th, 2019, 12:52 PM   #11584
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Seen the former messages we now in reality know what brexit means. The quote Brexit means brexit is oversimplified. Brexit means closing factories and jobs lost.
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Old June 7th, 2019, 06:57 PM   #11585
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"A picture is worth a thousand words"

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Old June 8th, 2019, 10:23 AM   #11586
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"A picture is worth a thousand words"

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Old June 11th, 2019, 12:12 PM   #11587
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Can't wait to hear the end of this Brexit bullsh!t. It's in the news incessantly and I'm on the other side of the planet. I pray Boris or Nigel are voted in, ignore the 'great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies' and get it done already. If only so the country can focus on something different and we can hear something else about Broken Britain.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 01:32 PM   #11588
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Record high employment and rising pay growth defies economic slowdown

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Employment hit a record high in the three months to April as the jobs market shrugged off chaos in Westminster and a fall in GDP to bring more people into work.

Pay growth also picked up in a further indication that the very low rate of unemployment and sustained demand for labour is starting to give workers more bargaining power.

Unemployment dropped by 34,000 to 1.3m, keeping the jobless rate at 3.8pc, the lowest level since the mid-1970s. This is despite data earlier this week indicating the economy slowed in the second quarter of the year and contracted in April.

A total of 32.75m people are now in work, the Office for National Statistics found, the highest level on record. This amounts to 76.1pc of the working age population, also a record high.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...omic-slowdown/

Brexit uncertainty starts to 'hurt' the ordinary man with more jobs than ever before and strong wage growth.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 01:58 PM   #11589
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Record high employment and rising pay growth defies economic slowdown

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...omic-slowdown/

Brexit uncertainty starts to 'hurt' the ordinary man with more jobs than ever before and strong wage growth.
Low unemployment and wage growth is genuinely good news. Let's hope it last.

However you might have missed but we had quite sharp economic contraction in April, largely due to "Brexit that wasn't":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48579630

For now it was (hopefully) just a blip. Mostly because, after all the idiocy, politicians cancelled the no deal Brexit.

I guess we'll see what will happen in autumn, especially if we have the orangutan in charge...

But if just fear of it caused such drop I wonder what will happen if the orangutan really press the red button...
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Old June 12th, 2019, 10:59 AM   #11590
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Old June 13th, 2019, 09:05 AM   #11591
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Brexit ‘shambles’ has ruined UK reputation - high commissioner to Singapore
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Scott Wightman, Britain’s outgoing senior diplomat in Singapore, has said Britain is now seen worldwide as a country beset by division, obsessed with ideology and careless of truth.

In a valedictory note, he compared Brexit to the fall of Singapore in 1942 and said major investors expect future investment in Europe to be directed more towards Germany and France.


The remarks, first reported by Politico, came as the high commissioner left his post to take up a job in his native Scotland.

Ironically, many Brexiter MPs have claimed the UK can become a free-market haven like Singapore once it is freed from the regulations associated with the European single market.

Wightman said that as a result of Brexit, the nation that Singaporeans “admired for stability, common sense, tolerance and realism grounded in fact, they see beset by division, obsessed with ideology, careless of the truth … I fear many around the world share their view.”

Wightman has been one of the UK’s most senior diplomats in Asia, first as Asia-Pacific director in the Foreign Office and then as the UK ambassador in Seoul, South Korea. He has been high commissioner in Singapore since 2015.

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Old June 13th, 2019, 10:18 AM   #11592
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@ geogregor - I am a bit cautious when it comes to economies showing great unemployment figures. Many unfair, uncertain and doubtful jobs are included thanks to our digital wonder economy, such as Uber slaves, delivery jobs, independent entrepreneurs who hardly earn more of an unemployment scheme, part timers and so on. Not that I want to dismay some of these economic developments as a failure, but for many, there are just no real jobs anymore, though counted as such.
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Old June 13th, 2019, 11:13 AM   #11593
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It's funny that the Guardian are more interested in the UK's reputation amongst Singapore's elite than the challenges of the working man they claim to represent.

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Old June 13th, 2019, 11:25 AM   #11594
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Brexit is destroying the reputation of your country internationally, with the high commissioner himself explicitly stating that "major investors expect future investment in Europe to be directed more towards Germany and France."

But your main concern is that the Guardian has reported it? Head firmly in the sand.
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Old June 13th, 2019, 11:51 AM   #11595
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Brexit is destroying the reputation of your country internationally, with the high commissioner himself explicitly stating that "major investors expect future investment in Europe to be directed more towards Germany and France."

But your main concern is that the Guardian has reported it? Head firmly in the sand.
Why should I be more interested in the country's reputation than the availability of housing in the UK? Strange priorities.

What does Singaporean investment in the UK tend to consist of? Building hotels and buying flats... if the Singaporeans want to buy more German / French flats then so be it.
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I would have thought international reputation was of paramount importance seeing as we will have to do a lot of new world trade agreements post-Brexit?
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Old June 13th, 2019, 12:22 PM   #11597
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I would have thought international reputation was of paramount importance seeing as we will have to do a lot of new world trade agreements post-Brexit?
I don't think it works like that. Sweden has a good reputation for being pro-active on climate change, whereas Poland less so. Do you think that makes any impact at all as to where Ford builds their car factory?

World trade comes down to what a country has to offer, in the case of the UK: skills, English, strong institutions, the rule of law, a large market, a world class city (London), competitive taxes (compared to France), non excessive regulation. If there is money to be made then no one cares about how Theresa May mishandled Brexit during her tenure.
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I think it speaks volumes of this country that we have been going through turmoil because of Brexit, our government basically stopped governing because of it and yet the country has carried on with relative stability ever since. If I was an overseas investor I would see this and think the UK is actually a pretty safe country to take a punt on, as many have continued to do since the vote.

Ultimately, Brexit and the way it has been handled doesn't look great but many people around the world think we are a bit peculiar anyway. I think they will expect us to get over this peculiar episode and then to carry on as before.
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Old June 13th, 2019, 04:42 PM   #11599
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One of the most important things the UK has historically offered: access to the rest of Europe, with English as main language, and all the other advantages that Bowater correctly mentioned.
After Brexit, especially if hard, we'll no longer be the door to Europe, with all the harm that will bring (regardless of reputation). Any other rhetoric is, I'm afraid, fantasy.
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Old June 13th, 2019, 06:31 PM   #11600
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Oh, the irony! An American publication suggesting the Brits have gone bonkers! Look in the mirror. It doesn't just stop there. Other countries are on the spectrum too. China, Russia, half the world's going mad and it seems to be infectious.
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