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Old June 15th, 2019, 12:21 PM   #1861
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Old June 15th, 2019, 02:14 PM   #1862
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Antonov offers An-132D in several versions:

1. An-132ISR, an airplane for optical/electronic, radar and radio reconnaissance
2. An-132MPA, a light airplane for marine patrol
3. An-132 Gunship, a light armed airplane of Armed ISR class, for counter-terrorist application
4. An-132ME, a light medical evacuation airplane
5. An-132SAR, a light marine search and rescue airplane
6. An-132FF, a fire-fighting airplane

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Nobody has ever seen any of these prototypes and nobody knows what equipment will be installed.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 10:27 AM   #1863
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I think nobody here wants you to resume cooperation with Russia. We are just stating the fact, that the replacement of russian parts will be either not possible or economically not viable. And until Antonov starts serial production of new planes, you cant proof the opposite.
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Ukraine Industry Enhancing Independence From Russia

Antonov (Chalet 315) has long been the most visible and well-known of the many Ukrainian aerospace and defense firms. The company made history at Le Bourget 30 years ago when it flew the massive six-engine An-225 Mriya cargo heavy lifter with the then-Soviet space shuttle Buran mounted on the upper fuselage.

Since the fall of the USSR, the company has been the aerospace industrial giant of independent Ukraine, but several of its programs that were originally developed in the last days of the Soviet period have failed to develop into series-production lines that would keep the aircraft maker as busy as it was during the Soviet period. One of the more prominent examples is the An-70 turboprop military transport that was designed to replace the many aging An-12 models in service at the time.

The An-70 and other programs of the immediate post-Soviet period relied on cooperation with Russian industry that largely failed to materialize. Only two An-70 prototypes were built and the program never received the orders from Russia’s military that would have been required for the aircraft to be economically viable.

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In the intervening years, the company’s production rate has been close to anemic. In the past decade, the company has produced only 22 aircraft—or two per year. What has sustained it for many years is the air cargo division of Antonov that operates the An-225, a number of An-124 Ruslan heavy-lifters, and a fleet of other aircraft that perform charter flights for specialized payloads.

What had showed great promise for Antonov was an agreement to build up to 300 An-132 cargo turboprop aircraft for the Royal Saudi Air Force. The aircraft, an updated version of the An-32, was to be built under a joint venture contract signed three years ago between Antonov and Taqnia Aeronautics in Saudi Arabia. Aircraft would have been built on production lines in both countries and would have used Western engines and avionics. The cost per unit was estimated to be $30 million.

However, in the last week of April the president of Antonov, Aleksandr Donets, told the Ukrainian national news agency, UNIAN, “For reasons not related to Antonov state enterprise, in Saudi Arabia there was a change of the program partner, and the process was halted. There have been changes in the project partners in Saudi Arabia. Antonov did not freeze the An-132 project.”

Ukraine and Russia have had tense relations for more than five years, since the invasion and occupation of Crimea by Moscow in March 2014. The Crimean annexation was followed by a civil war started by pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukraine Donbas regions of Donetsk and Lugansk and included active support of Russian military units.

The head of Antonov had also stated that the project is not being shelved and that the company is instead looking for a new customer. “We are looking for both a customer and a partner,” he said in late April.

That new partner may turn out to be India, Donets also told UNIAN. Three months ago, an An-132D made a demonstration flight in Bangalore at Aero India 2019, the national airshow. The head of Antonov said, “The plane made a good impression, largely because it was created on the basis of the An-32, which is [already] well-proven in the operation of the Indian Air Force.” Mostly supplied to New Delhi during the Soviet period, India’s air force operates 104 of the older-generation An-32 cargo airplanes, which were produced in the 1980s. Some additional units were delivered later in the 1990s in the aftermath of the USSR’s collapse.

Antonov has signed a commitment to participate in the “Make in India” program, which signals the company’s willingness to set up a production line in India should New Delhi decide to acquire the aircraft. As with the Indian fighter tender that is still in process, this program will be decided only after the May general election’s outcome has resulted in the formation of a new government and procurement plan.

The Ukrainian aircraft company points out that since 2016, Antonov sales and production deals that were being negotiated with Azerbaijan and Turkey have both collapsed in their final stages. Ukraine aerospace industry analysts have suggested that the failure of both of these initiatives may have been at least partially related to the fact that these are both nations that spend no small effort to maintain good relations with Moscow.

In 2016, an Azeri company was interested in purchasing 10 An-178 military transport jets but the order did not materialize because the Azerbaijan firm could not secure financing for Antonov to acquire suitable replacements for Russian-made components. The second project was a venture to build an An-188 military transport, a jet-powered version of the dormant An-70 program.

“From the Turkish side there was great interest,” Donets told UNIAN. “But at this stage, interest is diminished, perhaps due to lobbying the interests of large aviation concerns.”

INTEREST IN REGIONAL MODELS
Other than these projects, the Ukrainian operators SkyUp and FANair have expressed interest in Antonov’s regional commuter jet models the An-148 and An-158. The fear that the Ukrainian firm has is that Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, and Embraer are easily capable of outcompeting with Antonov on financing.

“As far as I know, An-148s are being built in Voronezh at the VASO enterprise,” Donets said, in reference to Voronezh Aircraft Production Association, a Russian manufacturer that has produced these 100-seat passenger jets under license from Antonov, which presents another competitor for Antonov’s Ukraine-based production lines.

The Antonov chief says that for now, the company’s strategic plan will be for production of about 20 midsize military cargo aircraft per year. He explained that due to the scale of production assets required it is not economical to build massive, Soviet-era cargo jets like the An-225 and An-124.

Another issue is the financing of the start-up of production lines, so Antonov has been seeking the approval of the Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, for a $50 million project to complete programs of import substitution, which would permit the company to build analogs of the parts that used to come from Russia components, or source them from Western suppliers. Some of Antonov’s aircraft designs were originally built with up to 60 percent parts content from Russia, so the program will require some major effort to complete.

In another try to sever any remaining ties of dependency on Russian components, the Ukrainian firm is working with Boeing’s spare parts and support affiliate, Aviall. The company is building a warehouse in the Ukrainian capital Kiev that will be stocked with Western components that are to be used in Antonov aircraft. Under the Antonov-Boeing contract, Aviall will provide support for all new buyers of Antonov planes. In a separate program, Antonov plan to open a service center this year in the United Arab Emirates to maintain Antonov aircraft flying in the Middle East and Africa.

The warehouse will be “located on Ukrainian territory in [the city of] Gostomel,” Donets said. “This warehouse will deal with products, materials, metals, non-metals—with all the components that we are not able to get from our former partner, the Russian Federation.” Gostomel has been used by Antonov for many years as its base of operations for its cargo services and has additionally been pressed into service to provide logistical support for Ukrainian military units fighting in the Donbas.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 02:34 PM   #1865
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Production chart of Kharkov state aviation plant (ХГАПП). There are no planes produced after 2014.

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Old June 16th, 2019, 02:45 PM   #1866
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I think everyone needs to stop getting so defensive. Antonov is going to be active at the Paris Air Show, how about we talk about that
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Old June 16th, 2019, 03:33 PM   #1867
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Antonov financial report.

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This is the financial report for 2018.

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Old June 17th, 2019, 12:32 AM   #1869
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Closing temporarily for cleaning.

Unfortunately too many people with agendas here.

the Aircraft section is mostly peaceful. Since Antonov isn't that active, this thread should be slow

However in this entire section, this thread has caused the most problem and has a high level of activity.. most of it the typical Russia vs Ukraine BS. Rather than close the thread, I will suspend the worst violators. be warned
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Old June 19th, 2019, 04:23 PM   #1870
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ok cleaned up and re-opening.

but a reminder and a warning

1. Please stop the Ukraine vs Russia type of discussion. I know there are some of you who keep dragging this in that direction. Yes, its hard to mention Antonov with out Russia due to how everything is linked, but any trollish attempts to bring it into nation bashing will not be tolerated

2. Please accept that Antonov is not doing as well as in the past and don't get overly defensive about it. Antonov, like many other Soviet era companies, were built to work with companies from other parts of the former USSR. Its struggling today because this network is no longer the same, and the market and demand for Antonov airplanes has changed. Thats a fact.

3. This is a NEWS and DISCUSSION thread not a PHOTOS thread. The only photos that belong here should be those related to news, and you MUST mention what news that is.. just posting a pic with out explanation is not good enough. All other photos should go into the Antonov photo thread in the photo section. This is true for ALL threads here regardless if its Antonov, Boeing, Airbus, etc

4. Stop with the personal attacks. the last 3 pages was simply a 2 vs 2 insult fest. Either learn to grow thick skin or ignore each other.. or I will suspend all of you.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 04:35 PM   #1871
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I think everyone needs to stop getting so defensive. Antonov is going to be active at the Paris Air Show, how about we talk about that
There were no Anotnov airplanes displayed on Paris air show.

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Old June 19th, 2019, 05:11 PM   #1872
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There were no Anotnov airplanes displayed on Paris air show.

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cant read that but ill assume its what you said. and thats a shame no planes were present.

looks like there were a few news that came out this week

https://112.international/ukraine-to...nes-40835.html

Ukraine’s Interior Ministry to purchase 13 An-178 planes

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24...e_Antonov_UAVs

UAE, Ukraine To Jointly Manufacture Antonov UAVs
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Ukraine.RU is a Russian online newspaper that is part of the worldwide propaganda agency RT (Russia Today), is funded by the Russian government.

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Ukraine.RU is a Russian online newspaper that is part of the worldwide propaganda agency RT (Russia Today), is funded by the Russian government.

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The source is irrelevant, if the facts are obvious. There werent any Antonov planes on the air show.
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The information in the article is one-sided and unbalanced.

An-132 and An-148/158/178 were presented at the Paris Air Show in previous years.
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An-132 and An-148/158/178 were presented at the Paris Air Show in previous years.
We were talking about 2019. There are no Antonov airplanes in Paris at this moment.

If this is propaganda, please show us the airplanes displayed.
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looks like there were a few news that came out this week

https://112.international/ukraine-to...nes-40835.html

Ukraine’s Interior Ministry to purchase 13 An-178 planes

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24...e_Antonov_UAVs

UAE, Ukraine To Jointly Manufacture Antonov UAVs
They say that they will sign a contract in Autumn for An-178. Nothing yet was signed. They are still negotiating and announcing.
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There is. If you want to search for customers you need to show your product. I'll remind you that Mriya was showed in 1989 and in 2001. Also An-124 was shown more than once (1985, 1987, 1998). Not just those, but more of Antonov pieces.




There is an article published were Antonov representatives talk with European companies about parts replacement. I think they've should bring the plane with them in order to achieve better results.

One more thing - Antonov announced that they will sign a contract with Ukrainian interior ministry for delivery of 13 An-178. On the other side they are still negotiating with EU companies about replacement of Russian parts. How are they going to deliver those planes, even if they sign the contract in Autumn 2019., if they haven't solved the problem with Russian parts yet? That's the interesting question.
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Old June 20th, 2019, 09:23 AM   #1879
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cant read that but ill assume its what you said. and thats a shame no planes were present.

looks like there were a few news that came out this week

https://112.international/ukraine-to...nes-40835.html

Ukraine’s Interior Ministry to purchase 13 An-178 planes

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24...e_Antonov_UAVs

UAE, Ukraine To Jointly Manufacture Antonov UAVs


Hope this will happen asap
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Ukraine.RU is a Russian online newspaper that is part of the worldwide propaganda agency RT (Russia Today), is funded by the Russian government.

In the DLM section of the SkyscraperCity, you can get a red card for using such propaganda sources.

Please, evereybody, keep your opinion on what propaganda is for yourself.
Otherwise there's no way for this thread to work.
Thank you.
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