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Old April 22nd, 2013, 05:14 PM   #101
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it's mostly shoulder operations for the highway BRT. It's cetrainly not a system like Ottawa, but the the stops are more like proper stations and are often connected to big park & ride locations in the suburbs. There is a separate arterial BRT system that is proposed as an in city limited stop sort of operation, again nothing like all of the dedicated lanes in Ottawa but substantially faster service than current operations.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 02:57 AM   #103
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Here's my vision of Twin Cities transit in 2030:

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Duuuuude!
That is an great map and a great site. Kudos!

How realistic is the vision? Sure, with the wrong people elected to different offices it won't happen at all, but is there a realistic chance all that will be in place or at least decided on by 2030?
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Apart from gold and pink lines, we should have everything up and running sometime prior to 2020. The Dems staying in power would certainly come in handy.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #106
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If everything but those two will be done by 2020, having just those two added by 2030
sounds very realistic.

Will it be LRT only on the Green and Blue lines? Having a map that doesnt' differentiate LRT from BRT makes sense if one wants to lift the status of BRT (tho it would lower the expectations peopel have on the LRT if the BRT is done on the cheap).

What are the chances of connecting the Purple and Pink lines via a slightly different route than the Green line's? Or a BRT/LRT from St. Paul to the Airport?
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It needs to include Regional Rail , Streetcars and High Speed/Intercity Rail ...
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Old April 28th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #108
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Will it be LRT only on the Green and Blue lines? Having a map that doesnt' differentiate LRT from BRT makes sense if one wants to lift the status of BRT (tho it would lower the expectations peopel have on the LRT if the BRT is done on the cheap).
The expectation is that Metro will offer the same high level of service across different modes of transport. BRT will center lanes and stations, quiet and comfortable vehicles, high frequency of service through late night. So in theory they should be perceived on at least the same level as the rail.

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What are the chances of connecting the Purple and Pink lines via a slightly different route than the Green line's?
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Or a BRT/LRT from St. Paul to the Airport?
A rapid bus service is already being planned along West 7th St between DT St Paul, International Airport, and Mall of America. Unfortunately, it won't likely be elevated to a Metro-level service due in part to a vocal neighborhood opposition.

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Old April 28th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #109
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It needs to include Regional Rail , Streetcars and High Speed/Intercity Rail ...
There doesn't seem to be much support for streetcars at the moment. Rapid bus is our cheaper, efficient alternative for the near future.

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Old April 28th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #110
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This map is what exist or are under construction currently. But TC has Blue Line
extension, Gateway corridor, Riverview corridor, Northeast Diagonal corridor and
Robert Street corridor are being studied for future expansion. Red rock, Rush line
NLX, Dan Patch are commuter lines that are also on the works.
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The expectation is that Metro will offer the same high level of service across different modes of transport. BRT will center lanes and stations, quiet and comfortable vehicles, high frequency of service through late night. So in theory they should be perceived on at least the same level as the rail.
I'm thinking they won't be perceived as being on the same level as the LRT. Simply by being buses they will probably be considered not as good as the LRT. There is a rail factor. Should use go up to high there'll be a business-case for making them LRT, but that's years away. In the mean time it's great that they're going for real BRT and not just a few short patches of bus-lanes, a few fancier bus-shelters and new buses in a different color (as BRT sometimes turns out to be after the budget is cut a few times).

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How exactly?
By creating a corridor a few blocks north of the Green line where the PinkPurple line would go. Would that be at all possible?


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A rapid bus service is already being planned along West 7th St between DT St Paul, International Airport, and Mall of America. Unfortunately, it won't likely be elevated to a Metro-level service due in part to a vocal neighborhood opposition.
When the other BRTs and the Green line LRT have been around 5-10 years they might change their tune. If it'd get built despite opposition I'm willing to bet there'd be many who a few years later wouldn't remember being against it.
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Construction continues on the elevated light rail station for the Interchange project, near Target Field.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 06:14 AM   #113
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COUNCIL APPROVES LIGHT RAIL FOR BOTTINEAU TRANSITWAY

TC's 4th LRT line was finally approved by met council last week.

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ST. PAUL – May 8, 2013—The Metropolitan Council today approved light rail for the 13-mile Bottineau Transitway between Minneapolis and Brooklyn Park, taking an important next step toward building out a regional transitway system.

The Council amended the region’s 2030 Transportation Policy Plan (TPP) to include light rail transit (LRT) as the mode of choice for the corridor and selected the locally preferred alternative (LPA) route along West Broadway Avenue in Brooklyn Park, the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad corridor, and Olson Memorial Highway/Trunk Highway 55 (called the B-C-D1 Alignment).

“Bottineau is key to the region’s future development and continued economic success," said Council Chair Susan Haigh. “As the Metropolitan Council works to build a 21st century transit system, Bottineau LRT will provide residents and employees of the corridor greater access to major destinations in the metro
Link:http://www.metrocouncil.org/News-Eve...-transitw.aspx

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Fourth line, or a massive extension to the first line?

Both the Blue and Green line are thus going to be from out in the 'burbs of Minneapolis on one side and to the airport/St. Paul respectively on the other side with both meeting in DT Minneapolis.
It strikes me that the net step after that (LRT-wise) would be extending the Green line out past DT St. Paul so that it reaches as far out, relatively, as it does past DT Minneapolis.
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It is unfortunate that the Southwest and Bottineau lines completely bypass nearby urban sections of Minneapolis (Uptown and the North Side) and are focused entirely on suburban commuters. I think once they are built it will become apparent that this was a mistake, or at least a lost opportunity. Whenever I ride the Hiawatha line at midday I am struck by how much use it gets just from non commuters moving around the city. If I recall correctly the federal cost benefit analysis mechanism gives less credence to those types of trips.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #117
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Both current and pas light rail projects in the US focuses too much on bringing in and out suburbanites into the downtowns of central cities rather than building actually rapid transit systems for getting around.
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At least the Central Corridor goes right up the gut of some of the Twin Cities most urban areas.
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Here in Dallas, all the lines trunk through downtown, and a bottleneck is slowly happening. I've often wondered why other high user areas are not used as common junctions. Here they talk about a second downtown line to cure the bottlenecks as lines are added. I often wonder if this is a result of horizontal thinking, or am I missing something? Why not create a pass through corridor in nearby areas that need service as well?
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The focus on km/h isn't just a US thing. So many transit lines are planned with that as the second priority after the main stops. IMO km/h isn't as important as startpoints and endpoints of travel per hour (i.e. not stations but shops, residences, workplaces...).
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