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Old March 13th, 2014, 02:15 AM   #21
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MLSE are asking the City, Provincial and Federal governments to kick in $10million each for the proposed expansion
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Mix of real and artificial grass. It's known as a Desso GrassMaster pitch:
Very interesting. I went online and it seems this will be the first such installation in Canada. Makes one wonder if we'll start seeing other Canadian football stadia employ it when they replace their playing surfaces. This is a Belgian firm?
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Very interesting. I went online and it seems this will be the first such installation in Canada. Makes one wonder if we'll start seeing other Canadian football stadia employ it when they replace their playing surfaces. This is a Belgian firm?
It may work in Eastern Canada where autumn and winters are a lot less harsh but can't see too many Western teams going for this. The western teams with the exception of BC have harsh conditions from September onwards. Having turf even mixed with fake stuff would still not cut it.
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Is it any worse than say Green Bay where the Packers also use this technology?
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #25
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Is it any worse than say Green Bay where the Packers also use this technology?
Never been to Green Bay so no idea, but seen games live in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Alberta in October and November and Grass is not the way to go. Edmonton played on frozen dead grass for years, didn't look good and I bet it didn't feel very good...
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Old March 17th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #26
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Never been to Green Bay so no idea, but seen games live in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Alberta in October and November and Grass is not the way to go. Edmonton played on frozen dead grass for years, didn't look good and I bet it didn't feel very good...
Edmonton did not have underground heating, etc that exists now. I am sure TFC and MLSE will spare no expense as far as technology to make sure Defoe, Bradley, et al, have immaculate grass to play on
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Even with Desso, Green Bay's grass looks like crap in the winter...



Also, it's a pretty expensive system so it makes far more sense for CFL teams to use turf.
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Old March 20th, 2014, 05:33 AM   #28
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Ford votes against city-funded BMO Field expansion while rest of executive committee supports $10M plan

Mayor Rob Ford was the lone vote on Toronto’s executive committee against a proposed expansion of BMO Field that would see taxpayers put up $10-million.

The deal, which seeks to ensure the Toronto Argonauts move to the stadium, now goes before city council for final approval. BMO Field, home to Toronto FC, is city owned, but operated by Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.

The company approached the city about a $120-million plan to increase permanent seating capacity from 21,500 to 30,000. It wants to add a partial roof and reconfigure the field so that it can host Canadian Football League games. MLSE is contributing $90-million to the expansion. The provincial and federal governments are each expected to put up another $10-million.

“I’m delighted that save for one vote, there is very strong support for the city’s contribution to the expansion,” said Deputy Mayor Norm Kelly. “The investment will return revenues to the city and to the other levels of government, facilitate the growth of soccer in this city and at the same protect the legacy that we all enjoy.”

Robert Hunter, chief project development officer for MLSE, said the deal with the football team is in the works, but added that “there is a home for the Argos.”

The executive committee has asked the city manager to secure a “financial contribution” from MLSE to study ways to improve transportation access to Exhibition Place, where BMO Field is located.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 07:46 PM   #29
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39-3.

By that margin do Toronto city council approve the loan of $10 million to Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment towards the $120 million expansion of BMO Field. Equal amounts of $10 million expected to be kicked in by the federal and provincial governments without much issue. MLSE covers the rest and any cost overruns.

Two of the three dissenting votes were by Toronto's idiot mayor Rob Ford and his brother Doug.

The city's choice was to either spend $15 million for routine repairs and maintenance with no additional return on that expenditure. Or loan $10 million to MLSE as part of the finance package to expand and roof over the stadium seats. The maintenance costs would absorbed by MLSE within the construction work. The loan would generate a $4 million profit for the city plus higher long-term revenues from the city-owned stadium due to the expanded capacity.

And the Fords voted against that. In the immortal words of Dave 'Rick James' Chappelle - "Cocaine's a helluva drug".
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Any update on this?
I know the city has appoved their $10M, the Province probalby will, with it being to support the 2015 Pan Am Games, but the Feds basically said shove it, and MLSE said if we do not get the $10M from each of these levels of Gov't, we can't do this (or something to that effect) so what is happening?
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Well I don't think we'll be seeing any update until the provincial election is over
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Old May 27th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #32
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So the Argos WON'T be going into BMO

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The future of the CFL in Toronto has been thrown into renewed turmoil after a backroom fight between Ottawa and the country’s largest sports concern.

Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment – owner of the Leafs, Raptors and Toronto FC – has cancelled plans to include the Toronto Argonauts in their renovation of BMO Field.

MLSE had planned a phased, two-year renovation costing $120-million. They had hoped for financial help from all levels of government. That was to include a $10-million loan from the city, and $10-million grants from each of the provincial and federal governments.

As part of that agreement, room would be made to accommodate the larger dimensions of the CFL playing surface, as well as a promise to buy the flagging football team.

However, long after public announcements were made, Ottawa has yet to sign off on its part of the expenditure. Their apparent problem – the optics of funding sports stadiums.

MLSE provided several fig leaves to give the government cover – including parceling the money into grants for expected big events like the Winter Classic and the Grey Cup, planned for BMO Field.

MLSE argued that the construction taxes alone – an anticipated $18-million – made the deal watertight politically. The feds thought otherwise, and continued to delay.

As Ottawa dithered, MLSE lost patience. They will now go ahead without the federal money and, as a direct result, without the Argos.

There is an added element of urgency, as BMO Field must be ready to host rugby matches for next summer’s Pan-Am Games.

New architectural plans have been drawn. A $120-million reno becomes a $100-million one. The arena will be rebuilt to its current dimensions, meaning there will be no north-south extension and no room for football end zones. Ground will be broken in September.

The city is expected to sign off on the revised, soccer-only plan. MLSE has received assurances that the province will do likewise if the Liberal government of Kathleen Wynne survives a June 12th election. Wynne currently leads in the polls.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #33
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Then why are they even going ahead with it? TFC don't really need 30,000 seats.
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I don't think this situation is permanent. The money will be found and forwarded. It's not enough to have an intergovernmental tantrum over. Or to leave the Argos as the city's only homeless, itinerant franchise. Nobody's child.

That said, I do think it's for the best. Don't think this sort of stadium share is an ideal arrangement, especially considering how TFC have played on a grass surface that is frequently coming up in chunks. Yes, it's because of a bad winter, but it's provided a snapshot of what might be in store in the latter portions of seasons to come should a wet summer-fall period arrive when the stadium is under heavier use.

The bumpy pitch is proving how hard it is to keep the ball on the deck and play the possession-oriented style that the modern game demands. When you can't play the ball into feet of more skillful players and have to resort to lumping it up and over- hitting and hoping - it not only turns off fans, it makes it hard to recruit or retain skill players. MLSE have made a commitment to TFC and they need to ensure a quality of play in order to see their investments pay off.

When it's all said and done and spent, the prime product on display at BMO Field is soccer. In terms of games that might be played there annually, by a margin of at least 3-1. And soccer has the far bigger upside in the future. The CFL might draw better TV audiences for now, but an aging baby-boomer-zoomer audience will diminish and the younger demographics in Canada sway vastly toward soccer. And are growing.

As for the Argos, this should give them the impetus to chase their own stadium solution at either Lamport Stadium, just a punt north of BMO Field, or a re-vamped Pan-Am games track facility at York U in the north end of town. There'll be subway service there soon enough for locals and it would be easy to add extra bus service there on game days, plus plenty of parking space for the 905 mob to drive their SUVs into.
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Then why are they even going ahead with it? TFC don't really need 30,000 seats.
Every game will be sold out this season, capacity is 22,591 and there's a couple thousand on the season ticket waiting list.

About 4 years ago before the fans just had enough of ineptitude, Toronto's season ticket waiting list was around 14,000 people.
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Then why are they even going ahead with it? TFC don't really need 30,000 seats.
The Leafs do, bucko, the Leafs do.

One of the underlying motives for this renovation is to allow money-spinning outdoor games to be played annually by the NHL's most lucrative franchise.

Bump the capacity to around 30,000 and add in 10,000 temporary seats and you will still not come close to meeting demand. If it's Montreal or Detroit, you could sell out a week of outdoor games there.
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The stadium needs an upgrade for an odd Leafs game? Hmm, Im not buying it.

Anyway, everything Ive read in the last 24 hours suggests that the renovations will be able to easily accommodate the Argos in the future. MLSE isnt closing any doors by any means.
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They are expanding to 30K so they can have their own thread on this forum
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The Reds can very likely draw 30,000 in Toronto. They've taken great strides mending the fence. They lowered prices to more reasonable levels and brought in some talent. The increased support was almost immediate. Support for soccer, and this team specifically, has never been the issue.
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One of my gripes about TFC is how late their supporters get in the stadium. Is this to do with accessibility outside the stadium? And is it going to get worse with a larger stadium? Happens at other stadiums but nothing like Toronto. The stadium is almost empty for the first 5 or so minutes.
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