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Old December 2nd, 2014, 07:19 PM   #101
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 08:18 PM   #102
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So according to Dave Naylor at TSN - there has been a lease offer extended to the Argos from MLSE to play at BMO

http://www.tsn.ca/video/grey-cup-ins...e-cfl-1.145992
I realize there're compromises abound with the idea but I think it may present the best option for the near term. The degrees to which either tenants' needs will adversely impact the other seem minor, and even if TFC suffer the larger share it may prove worthwhile if it improves the financial well being of both teams and that of the venue.

Granted, this also assumes the teams will continue to build their rapport with the fans, strive for on-field success, etc.

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Seems to be moving along quite apace. It will be quite a showcase for the league next season. Hopefully they'll be able to host a playoff game, to boot.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #103
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Old December 6th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #105
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very bad ... bad angle...too far away from pitch ...
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Old December 6th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #106
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I realize there're compromises abound with the idea but I think it may present the best option for the near term. The degrees to which either tenants' needs will adversely impact the other seem minor, and even if TFC suffer the larger share it may prove worthwhile if it improves the financial well being of both teams and that of the venue.

Granted, this also assumes the teams will continue to build their rapport with the fans, strive for on-field success, etc.

Seems to be moving along quite apace. It will be quite a showcase for the league next season. Hopefully they'll be able to host a playoff game, to boot.
TFC season ticket holders (presently over 17k) would largely disagree. Having endured poor soccer since 2007, the worst part of it on artificial turf, the club is once again in danger of seeing its fan base erode.

They deserve better from the owners. Despite a losing record and never making the playoffs, the team is tremendously well supported, pulling in the second-best average crowds in MLS. TFC makes a healthy profit. That speaks volumes about how soccer is ingrained in today's cosmopolitan Toronto.

Were the club to be managed properly, TFC fans could see close to 30 games at home in a season, factoring in league play, Canadian championship games, CONCACAF Champions League games and playoffs.

Add in games from our men's and women's national teams and international friendlies (more lucrative with added capacity) and it's not beyond possibility to see 35-40 games between April and early November. That would average about five game a month.

Now factor in 10 CFL games, weighted toward the back end of the soccer season. TFC owners MLSE and their blowhard executive Tim Leiweke say they can schedule games to minimize pitch damage. Nonsense. If both TFC and Argos are involved in playoff action, it will mean that the pitch is going to be in rough shape for the most vital games. It probably won't matter to the Argos, but it will be very detrimental to the quality of soccer.

For a team like TFC to attract top talent, it's vitally important to show skillful players that they'll be playing on a top-notch playing surface. Artificial turf is a total turn off. A lumpy, bumpy surface inhibits the skillful passing and possession-oriented style that is essential in today's game. Top players will see that and give Toronto a miss. It's crazy that MLSE would jeopardize the quality of a proven, mone-making product to house a money-losing secondary tenant that will impair the quality of its prime product.

Football fans don't give a fig. They just want the quickest solution to house this endangered species of a sports franchise, one boasting less than 4,000 total season tickets sold this year. There's little likelihood that moving to BMO Field will solve the Argos biggest problem, the massive indifference most of Toronto have toward them, especially young people. Toronto has outgrown the CFL, just like it has outgrown junior hockey.

These sports might well flourish in other places, but decades of weak attendance, no matter how much playing success they enjoyed, says something else about Toronto.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 05:33 AM   #107
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T Toronto has outgrown the CFL, just like it has outgrown junior hockey.

These sports might well flourish in other places, but decades of weak attendance, no matter how much playing success they enjoyed, says something else about Toronto.
I am so sick of the BS with Toronto and how they are world class and deserve better and have "outgrown" the CFL.

If that was the case...
1) why do they continue to flock in droves to support a loser like the Leafs, who have not won a Stanley Cup since the league was the original 6. Why would you continue to support a team that hasn't won a championship in 47 years.
2) MLS isn't the English Premier League, why not shun TFC and hope to get a Premier League Team. Its worked to get an NFL team...oh wait forget that.
3)The ratings for the CFL in Southern Ontario are better than for TFC games, so there are CFL fans in Toronto. The bottom line is they are sick of being treated like shit a the Rogers Centre with Tuesday games and 5 weeks on the road. In BMO they would flourish.
4) Houston shares BBVA Compass stadium with a football team, Rugby games etc. granted it is a warmer climate, but using a Desso Grassmaster system, I believe it can work in Toronto.
BMO is not owned by MLSE, it is owned by the City of Toronto and therefore ALL the people of Toronto not just TFC season ticket holders
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Old December 7th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #108
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Last point I have to add to my comment above....

I bet if you ask most TFC fans they were fans of a team in Europe before they were TFC fans, which means they are fans of soccer and like more than one league and support their home team.
Why can't that be the case in football. Can you not be a fan of the NFL and CFL, yes they have different rules, but are the same basic run, pass, kick game. I have never made the claim the CFL is better, but I am a CFL fan because it is uniquely Canadian, good value for the money and I can relate to the players more and I have a home team to support. Yes over all the NFL has more talent, a ton more money to increase the production value on TV and in the stadiums etc. However, I would argue that if Canada did not have archaic out of date liquor laws and there was tailgating, a lot of those NFL fans would support the CFL and specifically the Argos too
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #109
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I's a fine angle.
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I's a fine angle.
Yeah, a pretty ridiculous assertion given that the pitch isn't even visible in the shot.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #111
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So according to this seating chart - there's 906 season tickets left

(East Lower - 187, East Upper - 429, North - 16, West Lower - 8 and West Upper - 266)

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Old December 19th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #112
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Here's the virtual seat viewer for the new seats...

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Old December 19th, 2014, 03:12 PM   #114
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So how will the movable seats behind the goal work? Does it just get dismantled for football and how will it affect the turf in the end zones?
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Old December 19th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #115
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I'm imagining it will be a retractable system that will stack underneath the concourse area - like you would see in gymnasiums or at the ACC like so - http://torontoist.com/2011/04/up_all...canada_centre/

The idea always would be the CFL endzones would be field turf and the seats for soccer would roll out over on top of them when TFC play
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So how will the movable seats behind the goal work? Does it just get dismantled for football and how will it affect the turf in the end zones?
The way I understood it is the bleachers will fold into themselves just like BC Place or the Metrodome used to use when in Baseball mode

As for what the end-zones have, I heard turf because they would be covered more often that not, which would be terrible if the surface was grass
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Old December 19th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #117
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And home opener is May 10th - that's gonna be pretty tight
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The football field will be off-center then?
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No, both ends would retract

that is why the seating is 25K vs 30K in soccer. There is an extra 50 yards of field to fit
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Thanks for the answers guys. If they're aiming for a May 1st 2015 opening might we see the Argonauts move out of Skydome earlier than thought? If BMO is done there's no incentive to stay at Skydome.

Will the additional seats be red or a more neutral colour?
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