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Old August 6th, 2015, 01:35 PM   #101
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I disagree, for transportation that can move large numbers of people works more efficiently with centralisation. Many routes between suburbs and mini-CBDs end up being infrequently patronised, and hence have infrequent public transport service with few options out side of normal business hours.
A large number of mini-CBD's is going to encourage car use, which will burden a road infrastructure with many more vehicles. Where the CBD is already highly public transport centric. This city lacks the density and infrastructure to handle decentralisation, but has a rail network that is able to handle centralisation.
You've made this argument before, and I strongly disagree.

Getting people to work closer to where they live reduces pressure on all transport corridors.

If the City keeps growing, and growing, and growing, there will be no more room to build the infrastructure to support it. There's only so many lanes to a freeway, and so many tracks to a railway that you can build until it becomes completely unsustainable. To serve a dozen or so square kilometres (in a very linear shape like the current CBD, and lands south of it) would require just as many if not more tunnels to transport people in or out. The government can save billions, and billions of taxpayer dollars, if instead of having hundreds of trains per hour converging on the one place (in expensive tunnels), those funds and resources targeted key cross metropolitan connections, spreading the commuter load more evenly and efficiently to other CBD's with significant employment opportunities.

Hypothetical: If a third of the trains from Campbelltown went to Penrith instead of the City because a significant population required the increased connections between the Western Sydney CBD's (Liverpool, Parramatta, Blacktown) for employment, then more trains can be used for City expresses to the new Airport, or to the Growth Centre. An evenly distributed commuter pattern can create opportunities for different levels of service and connectivity throughout the city.

Obviously, new cross metropolitan transport links are necessary for the city to grow to support this kind of decentralisation, but the infrastructure is already largely there (or will be) for places like Parramatta, Chatswood, and Mac Park to be as well connected to surrounding areas as the inner city is. All of the satellite CBD's are already located on train lines that head to the City, so saying that the PT that services them will be lightly patronised ignores the fact that those lines would still serve commuters travelling to the main CBD. It's better to have comfortably full trains travelling throughout the city, than to have trains that can't let anyone else on because everyone needs to be at the same place at the same time.

The City will always be the main CBD, but it needs room to breathe so that it doesn't buckle under its own pressure. A network of major and minor CBD's throughout the city can help relieve the congestion caused by a city that is extremely concentrated to one far edge of the metro area.
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Old November 13th, 2018, 07:35 AM   #102
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This makes sense - spread the CBD further to the west...

Pyrmont can become the next high rise peninsula as support for SydneyÂ’s CBD
13th November 2018 urban task force

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With the Sydney CBD filling up fast with new development the Urban Taskforce believes that a long term plan
is needed to continue Sydney as the leading global city in Australia by developing the Pyrmont Peninsula.

“There are a number of early pointers to the rethinking of Pyrmont as a high rise spine to match Sydney’s CBD.” Says Urban Taskforce CEO Chris Johnson

“The regeneration of Darling Harbour with its high rise hotel has begun the change.
The proposed 61 storey tower for the Star Casino begins a rethink of heights on the peninsula along with the proposed tower at Harbourside.

The announcement of the design for the new fish markets in Blackwattle Bay means the existing site will be redeveloped presumably with high rise apartments .”

“The Urban Taskforce asked Sydney architectural firm LAVA to develop a vision for how the Pyrmont Peninsula could look over the next 20 to 40 years as Sydney continues to grow.

The new development would establish a mixed-use precinct with an entertainment flavour.
We see the peninsula next to the Sydney CBD as being a genuine mixed use precinct with entertainment and hospitality uses as well as being a focus for IT and creative industries.

“Clearly public transport will be essential for the new uses so we support the location of a station on the Metro West line as it connects to Parramatta via the Bays Precinct and Sydney Olympic Park.

The metro station should be located so that it serves the Star Casino and the new Fish Markets development.
https://www.urbantaskforce.com.au/py...r-sydneys-cbd/




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closeup -LAVA would have researched potential sites for the tower developments..

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Old November 14th, 2018, 06:04 AM   #104
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yes bring it on. Ive always thought Pyrmont is sydneys Southbank. hopefully Ritz is the first of many highrise for the peninsula
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yes bring it on. Ive always thought Pyrmont is sydneys Southbank. hopefully Ritz is the first of many highrise for the peninsula
but what about the locals that moved there for a quiet, laid back lifestyle away from the hustle and bustle of the city?
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Old November 16th, 2018, 09:13 PM   #106
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but what about the locals that moved there for a quiet, laid back lifestyle away from the hustle and bustle of the city?
The reality is that wherever you choose to live, you are always going to get more of one thing, but less of another. People who live in Pyrmont will have more entertainment options and better access to jobs. It is practically a part of the CBD, and next to one of the busiest precincts in the country in Darling a Harbour. But they will have less open space to live in, and less natural surroundings such as trees, green space etc.You can find more of these things in other parts of Sydney.

I get the feeling Pyrmont wants to be all things to all people, which in reality never works.
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but what about the locals that moved there for a quiet, laid back lifestyle away from the hustle and bustle of the city?
We need a ‘lol’ button.
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Old November 18th, 2018, 01:00 AM   #108
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but what about the Aborigines when whiteys moved there...?

but what about the low paid workers when the trendies moved there...?

Life cycle: adapt or die.
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"ullo - computer being testy today. double post.
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You'd really need to get rid of the dog track and better utalise Wentworth Park.
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this is probably best thread to talk about upcoming future sydney masterplan model which will be on display end of may on lev2 town hall house.
maybe thread should be in sydney section
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When it comes out, I reckon it deserves its own thread in the Sydney section.

The difference between that thread and this thread will literally be fact and fiction.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 06:52 AM   #113
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yes looking like late may early june
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yes bring it on. Ive always thought Pyrmont is sydneys Southbank. hopefully Ritz is the first of many highrise for the peninsula
Hopefully the Casino upgrades are the last of round or circular buildings for the future of this location. What is the ridiculously high proportion of elliptical and circular towers? Yuck.
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Massive refurb of Strathfield Station needed.
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Massive refurb of Strathfield Station needed.
yep. Can be the single stop between Parra and Central on the high speed rail !
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further to that it can also be the interchange of the proposed north south line. Instead of having the epping line go into the CBD have it run over or under Strathfield or even terminate above it to then create the link int the CBD this will provide the link for people to transit to a CBD line meaning more frequent trains (turn up and go) also have a link coming up fro the south, via Hurstville? i think someone suggested.
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