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Old July 26th, 2015, 12:44 AM   #1
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Seven News Sydney (24/7/2015): John Grant, chairman of the Australian Rugby League Commission, says Sydney needs a world-class sports facility close to its CBD. Chris Maher reports.

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NSW government considering Sydney Olympic Park stadium purchase, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres confirms
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The state government is considering buying out the owners of ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park, the Sports Minister confirmed on Wednesday.

Stuart Ayres told a budget estimates hearing that the state had received a heads of agreement between the venue's operators and the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust that would allow the lease to "come back to government".

"Whether it includes acquisition of the individual asset or acquisition of the business is subject to evaluation by government," Mr Ayres said.

The comments come ahead of an imminent announcement about how the state government plans to overhaul the running of Sydney's stadiums.
Continued: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-govern...02-gjdbop.html
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:58 AM   #3
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the olympic stadium needs to be pulled down, its been a jack of no sports ever since october 2000. dont waste money on moving in the seats behind the goals, lol it doesnt change the fact the rest of the grandstand sits so far back.

i think the government should be focusing on developing just two stadiums. fix up allianz and buy ANZ tear it down and rebuild a new rectangle stadium. the amount of land ANZ covers atm the government would be able to build a stadium and sell off the land on the eastern edge for residential. 50,000 indoor stadium at homebush (for noise issues) and design it like vancouvers BC place which the roof can move and cover the top tier when not needed or build it so sections can beclosed when not needed. and a 50,000 outdoor at moorepark.

I just think when parramatta stadium gets built and teams are asked to play there, that there will be a massive revolt by different clubs because its parras homeground
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 05:49 AM   #4
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Sydney needs world class venues:
- 85,000 seat rectangular stadium with roof: purpose built for big sporting events (Homebush).
- 55,000 seat rectangular stadium with roof: sporting events and concerts (Moore Park)
- 35,000 seat rectangular stadium: sporting events (Parramatta)

Sydney needs a big stadium (80,000+) for big events such as grand finals, state of origin, international games and future events. Keep SCG for Cricket and AFL (50,000 capacity).
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:51 AM   #5
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I just think when parramatta stadium gets built and teams are asked to play there, that there will be a massive revolt by different clubs because its parras homeground
A new Parra stadium needs to be marketed to not be a homeground - with the dollars in top tier sports (they are primarily televised entertainment content these days), the state can't afford to do it. Maybe if individual clubs were paying for the grounds - but there are very good reasons why Manly would love to offload Brookvale, for example.

The state owns all the major stadia, but tey compete because of management structures. There needs to be a single manager of publicly owned venues, and a rethink of what venues are where. The end of ANZ's economic life is only a decade away, but Sydney still needs a stadium that size to be compete for major international entertainment content.
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The state owns all the major stadia, but tey compete because of management structures. There needs to be a single manager of publicly owned venues, and a rethink of what venues are where. The end of ANZ's economic life is only a decade away, but Sydney still needs a stadium that size to be compete for major international entertainment content.
Which is what this buyout could lead to. The article mentions that if ANZ is bought, it could come under Venues NSW (owners of Hunter, Illawarra, and Parramatta Stadiums, as well as Newcastle and Wollongong Ent Centres), or the Centennial and Moore Park Trust (Allianz, SCG).

They honestly should ALL come under the one umbrella, preferably Venues NSW, to better coordinate the States sporting and entertainment events.
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They honestly should ALL come under the one umbrella, preferably Venues NSW, to better coordinate the States sporting and entertainment events.
Venues NSW, with its current suite, is not a viable entity. ANZ could possibly strengthen its portfolio, but that isn't clear. A new, better Parra would help.

What is logical, is a single management body for all government owned venues. I suspect the politics would see that being the SCG in the end as Venues doesn't have any political friends. And government also needs to be clear about the reasons for and amounts provided to support the regional venues in its portfolio.
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How come Venues doesn't have any political friends? It's a government organisation, so I would have thought there would be some incentive to at least improve it.
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Maybe if individual clubs were paying for the grounds - but there are very good reasons why Manly would love to offload Brookvale, for example.
Can you state what those reasons are?

About the only people who may wish to see Brookvale 'offloaded' are the current owners (the Penn family - Silent P, aka father Rick,*Mr Fluffy, aka son Scott and the uncle, fellow traveller ZtH, aka Zorba the Hutt), plus some of the NIMBY residents in the vicinity.

Certainly not the district club or the supporters. They want an upgraded Brookvale Oval.

* As in Rick with a silent 'P'.
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Certainly not the district club or the supporters. They want an upgraded Brookvale Oval.
Then thy should pay for it.

There is no money in building and owning stadia - they are money pits that need to be upgraded regularly at signficant expense to stand still, yet alone gain a compettive edge. Managing stadia may make money if your venue is right to draw good content.

There are too many publicy owned stadia (the governent still owns ANZ, although its leased) and they compete against each other. SCG has the big end of town firmly on its side with its board and extensive, long term membership, and has the top tier sporting codes on its side. Venues NSW has the dud venues, no money to upgrade them and doesn't have the same political connections. Let's not even mention SOPA.

These days, major stadia are all about content - the only reason for Government to be involved in major stadia is to generate visitor stays and expenditure, either to states or regions. And it needs to maximise the return on its stadium investment by cutting out competition. The codes have big bucks from their broadcasting rights, but the venues can't knock this out of them because the codes play the venues off against each other.

The reality of ANZ is that, if it goes, Sydney will no longer get major international sporting content. And that's the reality the Government is facing - downsize for the regualr "experience", or maintain cpacity to attract the top end.

There may even be a another Olympic bid....
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Old September 4th, 2015, 05:06 AM   #11
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yes there will be 2 new stadiums

30,000-seat Parramatta stadium among NSW Premier's promised $1 billion upgrades
September 4, 2015

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A new 30,000-seat stadium will be built at Parramatta,
part of an investment in new and old stadiums in Sydney, worth more than $1 billion.

NSW Premier Mike Baird and Minister for Sport Stuart Ayres announced the new stadium on Friday.

They called their overall package the biggest investment in sport and major event infrastructure in NSW since the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

There will also be a new rectangular stadium at Moore Park, seating between 50,000 and 55,000,
and a new indoor arena near the CBD.

The package includes a new outer western Sydney sporting venue,
a possible retractable roof and redevelopment of ANZ Stadium
and the completion of the SCG upgrade.

"Our first priority is building a new 30,000 seat stadium at Parramatta on the site of the existing facility,
with work to begin as soon as possible and construction expected to be completed by 2019," he said.


The government has set aside $600 million from the privatisation of electricity assets to spend on upgrades.

The locations for some of the new stadiums are also uncertain.

"As part of this package, NSW government is negotiating to acquire leasehold management rights for Stadium Australia.
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The above makes sense, however I'm most interested in their plans for the Homebush stadium. Are they just going to give it a lipstick job by putting a new roof on it and bringing in the sidelines? I really think this stadium needs an overhaul, it's our flagship stadium and it needs to be 'worldclass' as Baird says and lipstick won't make that happen.
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this is what they are after for ANZ stadium homebush

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"As part of this package, NSW government is negotiating to acquire leasehold management rights for Stadium Australia.

Once this is finalised we will work towards one governing entity for Sydney's stadia network," he said.
So one management body WILL be created.

So are they replacing Allianz or building a new stadium in addition to it?
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this is what they are after for ANZ stadium homebush

Yes, that's what the current leaseholders would like it to be. They don't have the money to redevelop it. Whatever changes will be made will most likely be paid for by the government, after coming to an agreement to end the lease. There is the question whether the porcine labial makeup or a complete rebuild is the best way to go.
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So one management body WILL be created.

So are they replacing Allianz or building a new stadium in addition to it?
And an SCG takeover is the most realistic, given the politics - although giving the SCG to VenuesNSW would help breakdown the power bloc.

Allianz will be replaced is my understanding. Parra definitely.
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Then thy should pay for it.

There is no money in building and owning stadia - they are money pits that need to be upgraded regularly at signficant expense to stand still, yet alone gain a compettive edge. Managing stadia may make money if your venue is right to draw good content.

There are too many publicy owned stadia (the governent still owns ANZ, although its leased) and they compete against each other. SCG has the big end of town firmly on its side with its board and extensive, long term membership, and has the top tier sporting codes on its side. Venues NSW has the dud venues, no money to upgrade them and doesn't have the same political connections. Let's not even mention SOPA.

These days, major stadia are all about content - the only reason for Government to be involved in major stadia is to generate visitor stays and expenditure, either to states or regions. And it needs to maximise the return on its stadium investment by cutting out competition. The codes have big bucks from their broadcasting rights, but the venues can't knock this out of them because the codes play the venues off against each other.

The reality of ANZ is that, if it goes, Sydney will no longer get major international sporting content. And that's the reality the Government is facing - downsize for the regualr "experience", or maintain cpacity to attract the top end.

There may even be a another Olympic bid....
You didn't answer my question. Is that you Stuart Ayres? Or is it Todd Greenberg?

Your response suggests that you really don't know much about the particular situation re: Brookvale. The district club, like all district clubs in Sydney, is not in a financial position to pay for the sort of upgrade necessary to keep the ground at an appropriate tier 2 level.

No one expects another 25-35,000 all-seater. We would just like what we have now,upgraded further. And there is $10 million sitting in an account for future use, when some resolution between the Penn family and Warrringah Council takes place.

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Don’t understand why we need a new 50k-55k seat stadium at Moore Park? As pointed out in the media the Sydney Roosters can’t even get a 15k game average. The current stadium is fine for them.

Would seem that the NRL want their own stadium, right next door to their headquarters, and a quick drive home to the Eastern Suburbs for all their big nob executives. Does anyone know where John Grant lives? This has nothing to do with what’s best for greater Sydney NRL fans. Can guarantee if this stadium is built state of origin, NRL finals and NRL grand final will all be moved back to Moore Park.
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The NRL are at fault for failing to get the crowds through the gates as they see getting more revenue via those who put their backsides in front of the box.
NRL fans do have a preference for their suburban grounds for their atmosphere and the fact you feel closer to the action.
I'm off to watch the Saints tomorrow at what will be a souless ANZ Stadium. I've enjoyed Tigers games more when the crowd is crammed in at Kogatah.
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I'm not particularly well versed in Sydney's sporting infrastructure but here is my 2c.

1. ANZ Stadium - As Mephisto said, Sydney needs this stadium to attract top tier sporting events; the Asian Cup finals, World Cup qualifiers, soccer friendlies, State of Origins, NRL Grand Finals, Bledisloe Cups. These sorts of events have no problem attracting crowds that are much bigger than what is planned for the new Allianz Stadium.

Where ANZ Stadium struggles is in attracting crowds for week to week fixtures. In order to improve crowd numbers in these week to week events, ANZ Stadium needs:
- Critical mass of people (read: residents, tourists, workers, students etc) within walking distance of the stadium. 11,500 residential apartments, capacity for 31,500 workers and up to 5,000 students are planned for Sydney Olympic Park, and this walk up catchment will help with crowd numbers.
- Improved public transport links, particularly mass transit such as a West Metro. Get people in and out - quickly - to major centres and transport interchanges. It is not pleasant having to train from the City to Olympic Park and transiting through Lidcombe...or indeed standing on a cramped express double deck train from Central for major events.
- A roof. You go all that way to sit in a stadium in the rain, fun!
- NRL image problem. Is it the most unprofessional professional sport in the world? The NRL needs a serious image overhaul.

It would be incredibly short sighted to ditch the Olympic Stadium less than 20 years after the biggest investment in sporting infrastructure in Australia's history.

2. Allianz Stadium - Again, public transport links, no roof and the NRL image problem are factors in Allianz not living up to its potential.

Public transport access will be improved with upcoming Light Rail. This will certainly aid accessibility between the city, Surry Hills, Moore Park and Randwick/Kingsford/Kensington. Anyone who has been to Moore Park for a big game (read: 35k+) during peak hour on a Thursday / Friday night in peak hour knows it is chaotic.

A roof should be a non-negotiable in any future redevelopment.

At the planned 55k, it should not replace ANZ Stadium for anything. Not big enough to justify moving the biggest events. Is it worth upping the stadium's capacity when the Roosters tend to draw <20k? I'll leave that one for the business case.

3. Pirtek Stadium - consistent with Government policy (read: Parramatta is Sydney's second CBD). ANZ Stadium is too big for weekly fixtures for Western Sydney Wanderers and Parramatta Eels (and Canterbury Bulldogs, South Sydney etc but we'll leave that to one side). Targeted investment in Paramatta Stadium could also help build the case for Parramatta Light Rail.

4. SCG - complete overhaul of the remaining grand stands? Yes please! SCG is already the most atmospheric stadium in Sydney and the Swans consistently draw the highest crowd of any Sydney based team in any code (correct me if I'm wrong)

5. Indoor Sports Arena - so we're demolishing the Entertainment Centre to build a smaller new venue (ICC Sydney Theatre), and now it's been decided we need another venue close to the CBD for indoor sports and concerts? Okay...

If we really need it, it should not be built at Wentworth Park. Would much prefer it to be built in the Central to Eveleigh Corridor if it cannot be built at Moore Park (what is the Showground Oval actually used for?).
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