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Old July 9th, 2019, 05:34 PM   #3501
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Nothing new here - always 'hurdles' along the way that needs to evercome to the eventual implementation !!!



ps only Penang got fishermen, other places like Johor, Melaka, Perak (ie Manjung), Kedah ,etc... got NO fishermen laah hahaha !!!
No one cares about the fisherman
Hey are just pawn for the big guy

Developer's just want to reclaim to make money while SAM and the gang want mudflat so they fell good bout themselves

Personally, the fisherman situations in the straits of melaka is problematic. Too many fisherman trying to catch fish in a narrow polluted straits which create a problem of overfishing. This situation results in the crazy price or fish we have today

Think it's about time we introduce floating salt water fish farm like those in Singapore and batam.
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Old July 9th, 2019, 06:02 PM   #3502
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The thing is there is already massive amount/numbers of fish cages just offshore Batu Kawan (you can see these if using the second bridge) and the areas of the proposed PSR is just shallow mudflats that is not even suitable for fish cages, thats why you don't see any fish cages there maah hahaha !!!



ps there are a few fish cages off Batu Maung though as the sea is deeper there !!!

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Old July 9th, 2019, 06:04 PM   #3503
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No one cares about the fisherman
Hey are just pawn for the big guy
Hey, ade org yg cares about the fisherman lah bro;
Pembangkang - kata Jelutong. Hehe


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Old July 10th, 2019, 01:09 AM   #3504
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FYI the above is not considered 'mudflats' - with actual/real mudflats (for example within the proposed PSR areas) you cannot even walk on it (even for small children) laah !!!

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Old July 11th, 2019, 01:48 PM   #3505
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psr land reclamation total area (4500 acre) is bigger than johor forest city + melaka gateway combined. Imagine the impact toward environment in the long term
so Penang should downscale the size to Forest city size then it wont affect the fishermen and environment but with the condition of giving the reclamation right to Mainland China developer? LOL

and turned mangrove reserve into the biggest golf course? xD
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Old July 11th, 2019, 02:39 PM   #3506
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Don't you know mate, only Penang CANNOT 'grow' or have improved PTs or whatever else to keep the local economy expanding whereas other states can do almost whatever they like - because we are the only one who has fishermen & environment to protect meh hehehe !!!



ps just in case anyone doesn't read well, it sarcasm here !!!

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Old July 11th, 2019, 03:07 PM   #3507
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so Penang should downscale the size to Forest city size then it wont affect the fishermen and environment but with the condition of giving the reclamation right to Mainland China developer? LOL

and turned mangrove reserve into the biggest golf course? xD
The original planned johor forest city used to be bigger but it was scaled down due to environmental concern, and this psr definitely bigger but got a different treatment eh? Just to show that environmental issue is a small matter for penang gov, thumb up !!!
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Old July 11th, 2019, 08:36 PM   #3508
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psr land reclamation total area (4500 acre) is bigger than johor forest city + melaka gateway combined. Imagine the impact toward environment in the long term
What about Danga Bay and Prncess Cove, and Senibong Cove, and Pasir Gudang, and Tanjung Pelepas container terminal, and Pengerang oil refinery/terminal, and Permas Jaya, and Kampung Tengah, and Datan Bandaraya, and Puteri Harbour?

Don't be such a hypocrite OK?
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psr land reclamation total area (4500 acre) is bigger than johor forest city + melaka gateway combined. Imagine the impact toward environment in the long term [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif[/IMG]
What about Danga Bay and Prncess Cove, and Senibong Cove, and Pasir Gudang, and Tanjung Pelepas container terminal, and Pengerang oil refinery/terminal, and Permas Jaya, and Kampung Tengah, and Datan Bandaraya, and Puteri Harbour?

Don't be such a hypocrite OK?
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so Penang should downscale the size to Forest city size then it wont affect the fishermen and environment but with the condition of giving the reclamation right to Mainland China developer? LOL

and turned mangrove reserve into the biggest golf course? xD
The original planned johor forest city used to be bigger but it was scaled down due to environmental concern, and this psr definitely bigger but got a different treatment eh? Just to show that environmental issue is a small matter for penang gov, thumb up !!!
So the main concern is that bcuz johor can't get a bigger forest city as planned , so PSR should not get it ? And Johor definitely have way way more empty undeveloped land than Penang , so why reclaim too ? Peace
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Old July 12th, 2019, 07:59 AM   #3511
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The original planned johor forest city used to be bigger but it was scaled down due to environmental concern, and this psr definitely bigger but got a different treatment eh? Just to show that environmental issue is a small matter for penang gov, thumb up !!!
I think Johor itself is the only state that having the most numbers of reclamation projects xD. I thought Forest City is breaking the manmade island in few so that they can skip some DEIA requirement? LOL...

FYI, the DEIA of PSR is under the only, the most restricted condition from Federal. After Penang start to submit PSR to Federal, the previous government changed all the previous guideline but setting a much much higher requirements for PENANG, even the Minister of Environment admit they are doing the reclamation project of Penang more difficult to get approval xD.

Come on la, Forest City and all the reclamation projects in Johor have no different compare to PSR, in fact now PSR neeed to go through the most difficult guideline which other states don't have to~ Oh ya, Kedah even reclaimed the land without any approval from Federal xD~
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Old July 12th, 2019, 08:04 AM   #3512
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You know what, with the amount of metaphorical mud being slung around this toxic thread for the longest time I would've thought a literal island for the reclamation project could've been formed right about now to kick start the project.

It's particularly telling on how toxic the discussion has become when it's always the same few people either throwing snarky soundbites ("LOOK AT THESE PRO-BN NGO) or copypasting shilling articles without no own contribution apart from "YES, IN YOUR FACE STUPID ANTI-DEVELOPMENT LUDDITE NGO GG". Mod can't and won't even wade into this cesspool to moderate even a little because they can't ban people for being twattish.
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Old July 12th, 2019, 10:04 AM   #3513
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What about Danga Bay and Prncess Cove, and Senibong Cove, and Pasir Gudang, and Tanjung Pelepas container terminal, and Pengerang oil refinery/terminal, and Permas Jaya, and Kampung Tengah, and Datan Bandaraya, and Puteri Harbour?

Don't be such a hypocrite OK?
And how many of these is actually a reclaimed land? What about stp 1, stp 2, gurney drive, lim chong highway. Please buy a new mirror and look at youself while accusing others
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I think Johor itself is the only state that having the most numbers of reclamation projects xD. I thought Forest City is breaking the manmade island in few so that they can skip some DEIA requirement? LOL...

FYI, the DEIA of PSR is under the only, the most restricted condition from Federal. After Penang start to submit PSR to Federal, the previous government changed all the previous guideline but setting a much much higher requirements for PENANG, even the Minister of Environment admit they are doing the reclamation project of Penang more difficult to get approval xD.

Come on la, Forest City and all the reclamation projects in Johor have no different compare to PSR, in fact now PSR neeed to go through the most difficult guideline which other states don't have to~ Oh ya, Kedah even reclaimed the land without any approval from Federal xD~
But the fed gov has changed, the guidelines may have changed as well or bypassed altogether
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Just a simple observation here (just comparing island to island) - Singapore has reclaimed more than 20% of its original land mass from the sea since the 70s and has it affected their fishermen, environment, etc... and, more importantly, their economy very badly or negatively ???



ps what Penang had proposed (PSR) is only a dot compared to what Singapore had done and is still doing now meh hehehe !!!

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Penang's main economy is run by fishing

Any attempt to disrupt this fishbowl will spell doomsday for Penang's livelyhood
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But the fed gov has changed, the guidelines may have changed as well or bypassed altogether
...Take a look at the DEIA of PSR... Its already been publish online, and many reports like social impact report, heritage impact report etc etc etc... ALL new things la~~ FYI, they submitted the report before 509 once, then come back to amend again, then submit again~ LOL

They even let Penang Forum to present their views in front of National Physical Planning Council, opposing the PSR in front of TUN and all besar besar punya Federal Ministers~ I think this is the most ridiculous privilege haha... Did Johor Forum do so xD?

And PENANG FORUM doesn't represent Penangite at all...
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Penang's main economy is run by fishing

Any attempt to disrupt this fishbowl will spell doomsday for Penang's livelyhood
Lol, just for laugh xD
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Old July 13th, 2019, 04:23 PM   #3519
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Anwar meets fishermen over PSR, says he will speak with Penang CM next

However, he did not state when this meeting would take place


Sourced from TheStar today



ps now the very vague Anwar trying to become a 'Hero/Champion' eh hahaha !!!

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But the fed gov has changed, the guidelines may have changed as well or bypassed altogether
...Take a look at the DEIA of PSR... Its already been publish online, and many reports like social impact report, heritage impact report etc etc etc... ALL new things la~~ FYI, they submitted the report before 509 once, then come back to amend again, then submit again~ LOL

They even let Penang Forum to present their views in front of National Physical Planning Council, opposing the PSR in front of TUN and all besar besar punya Federal Ministers~ I think this is the most ridiculous privilege haha... Did Johor Forum do so xD?

And PENANG FORUM doesn't represent Penangite at all...
Yeah, while Penang Forum not representing Penangites, still they given all privilledge to present at the same level with CM of Penang who is voted by Penangites, best part it, the presentation to Tun still found PF not convincing.

So why PF still whinning around?!
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