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Old July 15th, 2019, 12:19 PM   #221
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I imagine this build is an absolute nightmare logistically for the contractor building this.

Good to hear that the 143's are due to be replaced. So that will be the last of the Pacers gone then. I won't be sad to see the back of them.
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^ The other day I was in Newton Abbot Station & a 4 car Pacer came chugging in. There were some Chinese students on the platform....& I thought - what on Earth do they think of the British Railways? Maybe they like the quaint and olde-World-y look. But neither Harry Potter or Sherlock Holmes got off the railbus I'm afraid.
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The Devon Metro is starting in December every half an hour Paignton - Exmouth BUT not to a clockface times ie; xx15, xx45. One train will stop at all stations and the other omit Dawlish Warren, Starcross and St Thomas and still be held for express services to pass.

I would have thought a metro service would stop at all stations.

Barnstaple trains will run every hour Barnstaple-St James Park then up the siding to reverse. I suspect it will be Exeter Central where the trains detrain (as now) because that is where the station staff are.
On Sunday it will be hourly Paignton -Exmouth as now with a shuttle between St David's and Exmouth to give them their half hourly service. I hope there is an earlier train from Paignton as 0949 is far too late and misses any connections as do most of the Sunday trains from Paignton.
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Presumably the trains will be held at Dawlish Warren as that is the passing place so not alighting at Dawlish Warren doesn't make sense.

My experience of Exeter St Thomas is it is a busy station in its own right now. The stats also suggest patronage has risen 25% in the last 5 years to 250k. The station should have an half hourly service for sure. They also need to do something with the empty station house at EXT. It's looking at right mess at the moment with the frontage all covered up. They could probably do with passenger lifts to the elevated platforms for disabled users.
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^ The other day I was in Newton Abbot Station & a 4 car Pacer came chugging in. There were some Chinese students on the platform....& I thought - what on Earth do they think of the British Railways? Maybe they like the quaint and olde-World-y look. But neither Harry Potter or Sherlock Holmes got off the railbus I'm afraid.
Geoff Marshall has just put out a video of the Class 195 trains replacing Pacers on Northern Rail.

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Geoff Marshall has just put out a video of the Class 195 trains replacing Pacers on Northern Rail.

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Very nice train. I expect I'll be dead when they come down here in thirty years time. At least the pacers down here did not have the bus seating but proper train seats.
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A very nice 2 car train pulled into Newton Abbot yesterday (the 8.38, Newton Abbot to Exmouth). Usually a 150 DMU. I did'nt get a clear view....it was possibly a class 158?
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Shock horror, a decent article from Devonlive, on the current status of Devon Metro

Launched in 2011, the Devon Metro was a proposal from Devon County Council to develop the existing railway network based around Exeter into a County Wide Metro 'turn up and go' service.

Although predominantly focusing on the area Exeter, Plymouth was also set to benefit from more regular local services between Exeter and Plymouth and the proposed extension of the Tamar Valley line to Tavistock.

The aim was to encourage people to use sustainable transport, such as walking, cycling and public transport instead of the private car, with opportunities to enhance the rail travel journey experience into Exeter, facilitate both economic growth, and a reduction in carbon emissions.

The strategy included seven new rail stations, regular services from Okehampton to Exeter, and the reinstatement of the former railway between Bere Alston and Tavistock.

But eight years on, only two of the seven new stations have opened, one of the stations has been scrapped, there is still no timescale from the Okehampton service to start running, and the costs of the Bere Alston to Tavistock branch have ballooned to become unaffordable.

So what has happened to the Devon Metro schemes outlined in 2011? The Local Democracy Reporting Service takes a look at where the Devon Metro is now.

OPENED STATIONS
Two of the seven stations proposed as part of the Devon Metro have opened. Cranbrook saw trains arrive for the first time in 2012, and Newcourt station opened in 2015, But the three other priority new stations – Marsh Barton, Okehampton East Parkway and Edginswell – have yet to opened.

EDGINSWELL
Edginswell was due to be the first new rail station in the Torbay area for decades and was earmarked for woodland and open space alongside the railway and between Newton Road and Riviera Way.

But back in 2017, a bid to the New Stations Fund was rejected as the costs were too high, and Torbay Council subsequently agreed to stop committing any money towards the project.

OKEHAMPTON EAST PARKWAY
Okehampton East Parkway is further along - a feasibility study back in April 2018 into the new station to identified two preferred options – and last year, then the Secretary of State for Transport Chris Grayling confirmed the Government had instructed Great Western Railway (GWR) to prepare plans to introduce regular train services between Exeter and Okehampton delivering “an all-week, all-year train service as soon as reasonably practicable”.

But 18 months on, nothing has happened, and the feasibility study into the regular train services that was due to be finalised in autumn 2018 remains incomplete.

Speaking earlier in the year, OkeRail Forum Chairman Mike Davies said that it would be 2020 at the earliest before the service was operating due to time needed for operators to bid to run the service and for timetabling to be organised.

He added: “While we all want to see the many years of work on this come to fruition it is more important to get it right than to rush it and then encounter problems that cause greater delays.”

And a bid from the Labour Group at February’s budget meeting to allocate 800,000 to facilitate the construction of Okehampton East Parkway Railway Station, and infrastructure improvements for the reinstatement of the Exeter to Okehampton passenger service was rejected by councillors.

MARSH BARTON
Marsh Barton railway station was due to open in 2016, but the proposed station, to be built near Clapperbrook Lane, had been hit by delays and rising costs, going from 4.3million to 13million.

The Devon Metro strategy said the station at Marsh Barton would attract rail trips to this major employment centre from a wide area. with 30 per cent from Torbay and South Devon, 15 per cent from the city centre and over 30 per cent from east of the river, and the increased patronage projections meant it was given priority over a new station at Exminster.

A glimmer of hope though that the station may be built sooner rather than later was revealed at last week’s full council meeting by Cllr Andrea Davis, cabinet member for infrastructure.

Asked by Cllr Alan Connett to report on the latest on the delivery of Marsh Barton Railway Station, she revealed that the council have finally secured funding which covers the current project estimate cost, excluding contingency.

She said: “Additionally, working with the rail industry, we have potentially identified suggestions to help make further savings on the scheme, providing the needed contingency and this should enable us to proceed.

“Progress is dependent on Network Rail responding promptly to the various technical approvals, experience suggests obtaining these approvals can be very time consuming and complicated. Delays are currently being experienced and the programme is beginning to slip, and potentially cost increases will be incurred.

“In the same way that DfT provided additional support and authority with Newcourt on the New Stations Fund scheme, we have contacted the DfT to assist in encouraging a collaborative effort on the project.”

She added that a re-think of the design of the access to the station has taken place and the council have come up with an alternative solution, which provides additional benefits to pedestrians and cyclists, whilst still delivering the new Station.

But she warned that several challenges are still ahead to ensure that the scheme is delivered, those being securing planning for the revised scheme, gaining rail technical approvals, maximising efficiencies through rail possessions and managing works when they get to site

And under questioning from Cllr Connett, she said that she couldn’t provide an estimated timeline for when a planning application would be submitted and when work may start on site.

Match funding of 8.4million for the station has been found, but unless the station is delivered by March 2021, the Growth Deal funding of 4.37m will be lost.

Asked on the latest with Marsh Barton station, a Network Rail spokesman said: “We are continuing to work closely with Devon County Council to positively develop plans on Marsh Barton station. We will respond to all requests quickly to help deliver the station as soon as possible.”

TAVISTOCK TO BERE ALSTON
While Marsh Barton station may finally be progressing, there is bad news for Devon County Council’s aspiration to re-open the railway line between Tavistock and Bere Alston and provide associated multi-use trails in the surrounding area.

The re-opening of this section of line was due to provide a new, sustainable link between Tavistock and Plymouth for commuter journeys, help to minimise traffic on the A386, link Tavistock to the national rail network and also provide an alternative travel option for leisure, education and retail journeys.

The station and track was set to be funded by development planned for Tavistock, but Devon County Council’s recent ‘A386 Tavistock to Plymouth Corridor Study’ concluded reinstating the rail link from Tavistock to Bere Alston, is not viable at this time.

Funding for the reinstatement project was due in part to come from developers through a legal agreement from the planned building of 750 homes off Callington Road in Tavistock, as well as other two planned developments at Butcher Park Hill and New Launceston Road.

But with the cost of the project ballooning to around 70million, adequate funding is not currently available, a recent West Devon Borough Council meeting was told.

Members of the borough council’s overview and scrutiny committee agreed to continue to lobby partner agencies in pursuing a solution to the congestion and still lobby for the reinstatement of the railway.

LONG TERM PLANS
The Devon Metro plans had two stations – Monkerton and Cullompton – as possible new stations for the longer term.

The document said that while Monkerton has potential, it is close to Newcourt and would be more expensive, requiring an additional passing loop on the single track line. A petition has been set up calling for the station to be built and has seen more than 1,000 signatures, including one from Exeter MP Ben Bradshaw.

There is land allocated for a station at Cullompton but forecast demand was relatively low, possibly due to existing buses, and direct competition with car trips on the M5.

But the Culm Garden Village Vision - one of only 14 areas awarded Garden Village Status by the Government in January 2017 - has the potential to deliver up to 5,000 sustainable new homes in a country park landscape, with jobs, community facilities and transport, all integrated with Cullompton itself.

Plans to reopen Cullompton railway station – which opened in 1844 but closed in 1964 – are also an ambition as part of the project, as the station is considered a key part of the development strategy for the revitalisation of the existing town.

IMPROVING RAIL LINKS
Cllr Rob Hannaford, leader of the opposition Labour Group on Devon County Council, believes that rail links in the South West need to be improved.

He put forward a motion to last week’s full council meeting that asked for the council to put pressure on the government to reroute some of the investment in HS2 towards the South West.

He said: “The HS2 project continues to stall and fail on an epic financial scale. Recently a letter from HS2’s Chairman, Allan Cook, to the Department for Transport, leaked to the Financial Times, reportedly revised up the cost estimates for the project massively up to 70bn-85bn.

“The reality is this is yet another mess bequeathed to the nation by George Osbourne, as former Chancellor, who wanted to push this to further his prime ministerial ambitions, with his focus on the Northern Powerhouse.

“Furthermore the prospects for survival of HS2 also now look slimmer after the new Prime Minister, Boris Johnson appointed Andrew Gilligan, an HS2 arch-critic as his transport adviser.”

“It’s high time that the far South West got the proper rail investment that we need and deserve. How can it be right that vast amounts of public money are being pumped into areas of the country that already incredibly well connected, when in our region we can be cut off a stroke by poor weather conditions or relatively minor problems?

“If we want the business community and entrepreneurs to have confidence and invest locally, we must have good transport connectivity, that’s reliable and accessible. Furthermore we are seeing a huge growth in housing so we must ensure that this is all done sustainably with proper transport links.”

He called for Devon County Council to support reallocating some of the funds set to go to HS2 towards:

Improve connectivity to Bristol Temple Meads - To boost this transport hubs rail links - 125m

Rebuild Cullompton Station – Lost since 1964, connecting the town to Exeter and Bristol , in tandem with the proposed 5,000 new homes at the garden village - 15m

Exeter to Plymouth via Okehampton - To improve sustainability , resilience , and green travel , in line with the ongoing substantial new housing developments - 500m

Cross Cornwall Rail Link – To improve links between East and West Cornwall - 125m.

Reopen the Bodmin to Wadebridge railway line – To convert the community line back into more active service - 125m

.And the national scheme to build cycle paths next to motorways and A roads , to create 7,600 miles of new routes to boost cycling - 1.82bn.

Cllr Hannaford added: “The local schemes that we have highlighted supported have been identified by rail industry experts, are eminently sensible and needed, and are part of a whole national programme that takes away HS2 funding, and reinvests it into regional connectivity across the country.

“We all know that the economy in London and the South East is overheating, so we need to promote and develop inclusive economic growth that reaches out to those parts of the nation , like the South West, that often feels neglected by central government and Whitehall.

“Through Devon County Council, we are calling on all key partners across the South West region, public and private sectors, and local Members of Parliament to come together to use the opportunity that new government has opened up to review HS2, to secure this investment, and really boost the South West’s railway network , so that its fit for the future.”

As is the procedure of the council, the motion was referred to the cabinet for consideration, who will then make a recommendation back to the full council at a later date.

TIMETABLE CHANGES
Changes though are planned for the Devon Metro timetable from December, in what is being called the biggest timetable change on the network since 1976.

From Barnstaple, longer, more modern trains, will replace Class 143 Pacer trains on the Barnstaple line, giving a 17 per cent increase in seats. A new earlier first train to Exeter with an arrival time at Exeter St David’s of 07.31, in line with customer aspirations and an hourly calling pattern throughout the day, including the evening peak, but some intermediate station stops altered or removed to deliver the standard service pattern.

The Devon Metro timetable will be recast to two trains per hour between Exmouth and Paignton, operated by four car services, with all Exeter Central services extended to Exeter St Davids, with Saturday services for Dawlish Warren increased to half hourly.

Train services between Devon and Cornwall and London will be restructured to deliver a more consistent service pattern throughout the day, offering faster journey times and more frequent services to key locations from December this year.

Richard Burningham from the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership said: “This is great news for the local and regional economies of Devon and Cornwall, for the environment, and for rail customers. More seats, more trains and faster journeys will help with inward investment, with the switch from cars to public transport and will be a great support for visitors and commuters alike.

“It is not just the journey time savings in long distance journeys to London, it is also about the significant improvement to many local trains across the two counties. It is no exaggeration to say that Devon and Cornwall local services will be the best they have ever been and it is great to see that we will now see the full benefit of the investment in both track and train by Christmas.”


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Yes I saw that also in Plymouth Live. I copied it but you beat me to it! I still think that the N Dartmoor route needs to be re-opened and would benefit the region more than they think. I don't care that they think it is un-viable, because I am sure it is. And also the other stations too. It's DEFINATELY the case of they don't want to spend the money...because to get the return will take a few years. Obviously.
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The Tavistock link looks very doubtful now sadly. Nothing has been achieved the last 20 years except for the costs mounting up. I also didn't realise the Edginswell station had been shelved, which is disappointing as I think that station would do well. It looks all we'll get is Marsh Barton and Okehampton East Parkway. Interesting that with Okehampton they are inviting operators to bid for the service. Potential for South Western Railway to extend London Waterloo services to Okehampton. It would make sense all round.
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The Tavistock link looks very doubtful now sadly. Nothing has been achieved the last 20 years except for the costs mounting up. I also didn't realise the Edginswell station had been shelved, which is disappointing as I think that station would do well. It looks all we'll get is Marsh Barton and Okehampton East Parkway. Interesting that with Okehampton they are inviting operators to bid for the service. Potential for South Western Railway to extend London Waterloo services to Okehampton. It would make sense all round.
I reckon that is Exactly what will happen. SWR will run to Okehampton and then wait there for the return trip to Waterloo.
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I reckon that is Exactly what will happen. SWR will run to Okehampton and then wait there for the return trip to Waterloo.
I've got my doubts. I remember when South West trains ran 9 car 159's and dropped 3 off at Salisbury, then at Exeter St David's split the remaining 6, 3 going to Paignton and 3 going to Plymouth. This stopped 10 years ago??

They run 6 cars to Exeter now and I can't see 6 cars being able to go to Okehampton so they would have to be split.

I think another reason is the railway worries about the pent up demand there could be as they struggle to cope with the Barnstaple commuters which really needs a half hour service in the rush hour with each train skipping alternate station until Crediton.
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Is there any technical reason why a six car train can't go up to Okehampton?
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The 'Royal Oke' train that they get to do the Okehampton to London service (once a year?) is an 'old' 10 car Intercity 125 so I don't think there's any technical reasons why 6 car trains can't make the route?
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An update on Marsh Barton railway station.

Plans for a proposed new railway station at Marsh Barton are finally back on track.
The station was initially due to open at the end of 2016, but nearly three years later, the plans had gone off the rails.

Marsh Barton Station, to be built near Clapperbrook Lane, had been hit by delays and rising costs, going from 4.3million to 13million.

Changes to design standards led to rising costs and an unsuccessful bid to the Department for Transport’s New Stations Fund left a funding shortfall which delayed the project.

A glimmer of hope though that the station may be built sooner rather than later was revealed at a Devon County Council full council meeting at the end of July by Cllr Andrea Davis, cabinet member for infrastructure.

Asked by Cllr Alan Connett to report on the latest on the delivery of Marsh Barton Railway Station, she revealed that the council have finally secured funding which covers the current project estimate cost, excluding contingency.

And now it is full steam ahead as Devon County Council has announced a new planning application for a railway station at Marsh Barton will be submitted at the start of 2020.

Cllr Andrea Davis, Devon County Council Cabinet Member for Infrastructure, Development and Waste, said: “The delivery of Marsh Barton station is a long-standing aspiration for the County Council and we have remained committed to the project despite unfortunate delays. The additional funding which has been secured is very welcome in helping us progress with this scheme, which will help provide sustainable transport access to a key employment area of the city.

“We’ve taken the time to come up with alternative solutions for the station access and, working with the rail industry, we’re trying to identify potential suggestions to help make savings on the scheme.”

The county council has rethought the design of the access to the station and the new design has enabled the funding gap to be closed, with additional funds from developer contributions and the Local Transport Plan.

A spokesman for Devon County Council added: “This has many benefits as the new access ramps will strengthen a failing embankment, deliver an improved access into the city’s cycle network avoiding Clapperbrook Lane, and would minimise risk of delay during construction as it could be delivered away from the live railway.

“Network Rail is co-operating on the revised scheme and GWR is offering assistance to align planned maintenance of the railway with the scheme programme to try and reduce the length of its construction.

“A number of challenges remain to ensure that the scheme is delivered, and the County Council will now focus on elements such as securing planning permission for the revised scheme and gaining rail technical approvals.”

John Newland, Network Rail’s senior sponsor for the Marsh Barton project, said: “We are passionate about improving the railway for passengers and this includes at Marsh Barton. It’s great that Devon County Council is now able to submit a planning application and marks a further step forward in delivering the new station. Getting to this stage has been possible thanks to close working with DCC and we look forward to continuing to work together.”

The station at Marsh Barton was one of seven new stations include in the Devon Metro project to develop the existing railway network based around Exeter into a County Wide Metro ‘turn up and go’ service and to take traffic away from the congested roads and onto the rails.

The Devon Metro strategy said the station at Marsh Barton would attract rail trips to this major employment centre from a wide area, with 30 per cent from Torbay and South Devon, 15 per cent from the city centre and over 30 per cent from east of the river, and the increased patronage projections meant it was given priority over a new station at Exminster.

Cllr Yvonne Atkinson, County Councillor for Alphington and Cowick, said: “This is good news for south west Exeter. A new station will mean commuters from Dawlish and Newton Abbot can get the train to work in Marsh Barton. This will help alleviate congestion and air pollution. The station will be linked to cycle and pedestrian paths from the new housing developments at south west Exeter to encourage people to leave their cars at home when travelling into the city centre.

“Hopefully commercial bus companies can be persuaded to provide new services to the station. The new station is an important step towards creating an integrated transport system not based around the car and will help meet climate emergency pledges to ensure Exeter is carbon neutral by 2030. The long term vision is to turn Alphington into a Garden City where people and nature can co-exist sustainably.”

At last month’s full council meeting, Cllr Davis had said: “We have potentially identified suggestions to help make further savings on the scheme, providing the needed contingency and this should enable us to proceed.

“Progress is dependent on Network Rail responding promptly to the various technical approvals, experience suggests obtaining these approvals can be very time consuming and complicated. Delays are currently being experienced and the programme is beginning to slip, and potentially cost increases will be incurred.”

But she warned that several challenges are still ahead to ensure that the scheme is delivered, those being securing planning for the revised scheme, gaining rail technical approvals, maximising efficiencies through rail possessions and managing works when they get to site.

And under questioning from Cllr Connett, she said that she couldn’t provide an estimated timeline for when a planning application would be submitted and when work may start on site, now the council have now confirmed they aim to submit the application at the start of next year.

A spokesman added that they were still finalising the design of the station and as such, no date for when it may open could be suggested.


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To be honest. I can’t see Marsh Barton happening within the next 5 years. The council has other big money project like the bus station, leisure centre and the rest of the site to worry about. Hill Barton/Monkerton will almost certainly never happen as that station is far more than just a station and will require the redoubling of Exmouth Junction, the reopening of the second platform at Polsloe bridge and of course signalling work. There are a lot of fantasy projects in Exeter revolving around the railway but I can’t see it happening. While we’re on the topic of fantasy projects, I would like to see express trains from Exeter to London Waterloo stopping at Basingstoke & Salisbury only to make the West of England line more attractive to travellers. This may require a third line through Exeter Central and of course the doubling of most of the route, but i think it would be worth it and would certainly increase patronage.
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The bus station and the riverside centre are Exeter City Council's babies. Delivering Marsh Barton railway station is Devon County Council's baby, albeit with some financial contributions from Exeter City Council, East Devon District Council, Teignbridge District Council, and contributions from the developer behind the residential developments in Alphington and Exminster. The noises from DCC suggest that they have finally secured funding which was the main hurdle anyway. Its just a matter of getting planning approval now. Probably looking at 2021 at the earliest for site works.

Re Hill Barton; I suspect you are probably correct. I think they missed the opportunity to get the developer building all those houses being built behind the MetOffice to pay for any new station. From what I understand the current pattern of services on the Exmouth line allow for an additional stop at a Hill Barton station. The need for duelling the line in part or providing more passing places is if they deem a 3tph service to be necessary. The Exmouth line is busy but I don't think its reached that point to demand a 3tph service just yet. If the passenger growth continues at its current rate then perhaps in 20-30 years they may have to give the idea of duelling the line some serious consideration.

Re The West of England mainline; no matter how many stops you cut out on the line it will always be the slow line to London as opposed to the Great Western mainline. It always has been.
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The bus station and the riverside centre are Exeter City Council's babies. Delivering Marsh Barton railway station is Devon County Council's baby, albeit with some financial contributions from Exeter City Council, East Devon District Council, Teignbridge District Council, and contributions from the developer behind the residential developments in Alphington and Exminster. The noises from DCC suggest that they have finally secured funding which was the main hurdle anyway. Its just a matter of getting planning approval now. Probably looking at 2021 at the earliest for site works.

Re Hill Barton; I suspect you are probably correct. I think they missed the opportunity to get the developer building all those houses being built behind the MetOffice to pay for any new station. From what I understand the current pattern of services on the Exmouth line allow for an additional stop at a Hill Barton station. The need for duelling the line in part or providing more passing places is if they deem a 3tph service to be necessary. The Exmouth line is busy but I don't think its reached that point to demand a 3tph service just yet. If the passenger growth continues at its current rate then perhaps in 20-30 years they may have to give the idea of duelling the line some serious consideration.

Re The West of England mainline; no matter how many stops you cut out on the line it will always be the slow line to London as opposed to the Great Western mainline. It always has been.
I know that the West of England line will always be slower, but if they had expresses on that line that stopped at significant stations only, then i believe that it may make it more attractive even though it would be far slower as you say.
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Old August 8th, 2019, 10:54 PM   #239
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I know that the West of England line will always be slower, but if they had expresses on that line that stopped at significant stations only, then i believe that it may make it more attractive even though it would be far slower as you say.
So what's the point then? Spending hundreds of millions of pounds to get to Salisbury quicker doesn't seem the most urgent priority
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No, I can't see they will do much to the SW line unless there is a major unseen change in transport policy. They seem to be happy enough to put a station in where there is a line (such as at Marsh Barton) or re-opening the already there line to Okehampton. But even that's a struggle & takes years.

As for faster to Waterloo...I have been on that line & its quite pleasant if you have the patience. The point is now to have a more regular stopping service for local communities...such as the Exmouth line & the more frequent stopping service to Penzance. If you did accellerate the Waterloo service, I feel the main stations need to be included...something like Cranbrook, Honiton, Yeovil, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham and WLoo. Leaving out the small villages. There is not the patronage to go more direct and few get off at Exeter in the evening.
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