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Old April 16th, 2009, 04:02 PM   #121
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Fewer people taking long-haul business trips -IATA

GENEVA, April 16 (Reuters) - Airlines worldwide filled 21 percent fewer executive class seats in February than the same month a year ago as fewer people took long-haul business trips, industry group IATA said on Thursday.

The data suggest more trouble ahead for airlines, which have seen numbers of coveted premium class passengers shrink along with the economic downturn that has reduced demand for corporate travel.

Flights within Central America, between Africa and the Far East, and across the Pacific had the most vacant premium seats, according to the International Air Transport Association, which looks only at cross-border flights.

"Average travel distances are now getting shorter," it said in its latest snapshot of the top-tier air segment.

IATA, which represents 230 carriers including British Airways, Cathay Pacific, United Airlines and Emirates, has said the airline industry would lose $2.5 billion in 2009 as a result of lower demand.

The industry lost $8.5 billion in 2008, pinched by high oil prices and the onset of the global credit and financial crisis.

IATA estimated that premium revenues fell about 30 percent in February as a result of the decline in high-end passenger traffic and aggressive fare reductions by airlines worldwide.

"This revenue stream is key for the profitability of most network airlines and so this reversal will be putting significant pressure on first quarter financial performance," it said.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #122
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Make the fatties pay!!
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Old April 18th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #123
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So would it not be easier for Big fellows to purchase a first class seat (bigger roomier seat) than two coach seats and not be put on the spot...?

Does anyone know the difference in seat and area room on a first class than coach?
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Old April 19th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #125
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So would it not be easier for Big fellows to purchase a first class seat (bigger roomier seat) than two coach seats and not be put on the spot...?

Does anyone know the difference in seat and area room on a first class than coach?
Problem is that some are so obese that even a First/Business Class wouldn't fit them. In fact I saw myself a fat man, who occupied nearly 3 Economy Class seats.
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Old April 19th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #126
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Old April 19th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #127
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About f*cking time.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 02:39 AM   #128
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Problem is that some are so obese that even a First/Business Class wouldn't fit them. In fact I saw myself a fat man, who occupied nearly 3 Economy Class seats.
What the...how is that even possible?
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I would be up for launching a lawsuit for discrimination against tall people and increasing the danger of deep vein thrombosis for us due to restricted legroom. If someone who is willingly fat (there is no way you can gain weight if you eat less calories than your body burns) gets extra privileges for a condition they brought on themselves by consuming excessive calories, a person who is tall naturally should get the similar rights for more room.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #130
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This war against fatties should continue unabated.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #131
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[size=4]United Air to charge obese double on full flights
Excellent and about time too!

Like others have said, I hope other airlines take note from this and start charting fatties for there extra weight.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 12:13 AM   #132
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What the...how is that even possible?
Well the FAs put him into the first row of the economy class section. So he had some room.
can't imagine him between 2 Economy Class seat-rows
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Old April 21st, 2009, 12:17 AM   #133
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Well the FAs put him into the first row of the economy class section. So he had some room.
can't imagine him between 2 Economy Class seat-rows
Haha yea that was exactly what I couldn't figure out. If heavy folks are typically round, how could he fit between the seats, much less into them?
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 03:24 AM   #134
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4 more Sea-Tac flights targeted with laser beam
18 April 2009

SEA-TAC, Wash. (AP) - Airport officials say four more planes have been targeted with a laser beam while heading into Sea-Tac Airport for a landing.

Airport spokesman Perry Cooper told KOMO-TV the pilots of the planes reported seeing a flash of bright red beam while preparing to land Friday night. All four were hit within a 15-minute period, beginning at 8:30.

The planes all landed without incident. All were headed for the airport's third runway.

Investigators believe the beams originated from a place two to three miles north of the airport. They've narrowed their search to an area north of Glen Acres Golf Course and east of State Route 509.

Friday night's incident follows nearly two dozen similar occurrences that have taken place at Sea-Tac Airport in 2009.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 05:12 PM   #135
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Irish no-frills airline considering 'fat tax' on passengers
22 April 2009
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Irish budget airline Ryanair said Wednesday it was looking at how it could introduce a "fat tax" after almost a third of travellers voted to penalise obese fellow passengers.

Ryanair, which already charges separately for services like food onboard, asked customers to vote for their favourite "cost reduction" idea on its website over the last two weeks.

The move came after Ryanair's chief executive Michael O'Leary caused a storm earlier this year by suggesting passengers could be charged to use toilets onboard aeroplanes.

Of more than 100,000 people who voted, 29 percent favoured excess fees for very overweight passengers, making it the most popular option.

Ryanair now says it will now ask travellers how any such charge could be levied. The four options include charging male passengers who weigh over 130 kilogram (287 pounds) or females over 100 kilograms for every extra kilogram they carry.

Another alternative is charging for a second seat if a passenger's waist touches both armrests simultaneously.

"With passengers voting overwhelmingly for a 'fat tax', we are now asking them to suggest which format the charge could take," said Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara.

"These charges, if introduced, might also act as an incentive to some of our very large passengers to lose a little weight."

After the "fat tax", the second most popular "cost reduction" idea in Ryanair's poll was charging passengers one euro (1.30 dollars) to use toilet paper with O'Leary's face on it, a move backed by 25 percent.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #136
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Pilots rest plan dropped --- U.S. regulator ends long-haul initiative as airlines fight it
16 March 2009
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After years of disputes with airlines over ways to reduce fatigue in the cockpit, federal aviation regulators last week withdrew a proposal mandating extra rest for U.S. pilots flying the longest international routes.

The Federal Aviation Administration's decision jettisons, at least for the time being, a policy that senior officials had championed as an important safety measure. By establishing new standards for the longest routes, the agency had hoped to set a precedent for addressing the broader issue of pilot fatigue throughout the industry. The agency had been pushing for additional rest for pilots before, during and after these long-haul runs.

The airline industry opposed the initiative, which could have required some carriers to redesign cabins to provide additional sleeping areas for flight crews. Less than a month ago, the FAA asked a federal judge to throw out industry challenges to enhanced crew rest on nonstop flights lasting 16 hours or longer.

But earlier last week, the agency informed airlines, and pilot unions, that it was dropping the idea after reviewing industry comments. "We remain committed to addressing the issue of fatigue" on such flights, an agency email said, "but believe additional data is necessary."

An FAA spokeswoman said Friday the agency will "work with airlines in the next year to gather data that will help us determine the safety requirements for these flights."

Although a number of carriers have indicated they will voluntarily comply with some provisions, it is still a setback for FAA efforts to use the latest research findings to revise pilot-scheduling rules that basically haven't been updated for decades. Various FAA initiatives have stalled over the years as a result of disagreements between airlines and pilot groups.

The impasse over these routes, such as direct flights from Chicago to Delhi, comes as outside experts express concern that tired and sleepy pilots are one of the major safety issues confronting U.S. commercial aviation.

On flights lasting longer than eight hours, additional pilots typically are assigned to relieve crew members. But when nonstop flights are scheduled for 16 hours or more, even four-person cockpit crews work beyond that traditional eight-hour-a-day limit.
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There's speculation pilot fatigue caused the EK's A340 tailstrike at MEL.
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No Ryanair 'fat tax' if it delays flights: O'Leary
30 April 2009
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Ryanair will only go ahead with a "fat tax" on overweight passengers if it does not lead to flight delays, the chief executive of the Irish budget airline said Thursday.

"We are not going to introduce a fat tax unless it is easy to administer. If it is going to slow down either our check-in or our turnaround time then we won't do it," Micheal O'Leary told a news conference.

Last week the airline announced it was looking at how it could introduce a "fat tax" after 29 percent of the more than 100,000 people who responded to an online poll on cost-reduction measures voted in favour of the measure.

Twenty-five percent of respondents voted to charge travelers one euro to use toilet paper adorned with a picture of O’Leary’s face and 24 percent voted to charge passengers three euros to smoke in a converted toilet cubicle.

Ryanair, which already charges separately for services like food onboard, launched the online poll after O'Leary caused a storm earlier this year by suggesting passengers could be charged to use toilets onboard aeroplanes.

It is now asking travellers online how any "fax tax" could be levied. The four options include charging male passengers who weigh over 130 kilogrammes (287 pounds) or females over 100 kilograms for every extra kilogramme they carry.

Another alternative is charging for a second seat if a passenger's waist touches both armrests simultaneously.

The proposed measure sparked a fresh controversy with some suggesting it would be discriminatory and illegal if it is adopted, a charge O'Leary rejected.

"It is not against the law, we can make it a safety issue," he said.
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Weight error caused Australia plane scare: officials
30 April 2009
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Incorrect weight data on an in-flight computer caused the tail of an Emirates plane to scrape the runway during take-off from an Australian airport, officials said Thursday.

The Dubai-bound Airbus A340 was forced to make an emergency landing an hour after taking off last month at Melbourne airport when the crew received a tail strike alarm.

Smoke began to enter the rear of the cabin as flight EK407 circled the airport for more than 30 minutes to dump fuel before landing safely and without any injuries. There were 257 passengers and 18 crew on board.

A preliminary investigation by Australia's air safety regulator found that the weight was entered incorrectly into the onboard computer.

"The result... was to produce a thrust setting and take-off reference speeds that were lower than those required for the aircraft’s actual weight," the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said.

The plane's tail was seriously damaged as the captain manually increased thruster pressure, scraping the rear fuselage along the tarmac and the grass verge beyond the runway.

An internal Emirates investigation had prompted review in a number of areas, including the potential introduction of a double-entry system for flight computers "to protect against single data source entry error," the ATSB said.
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Hopefully "Fat Tax" gets the go ahead. Why should normal weight passengers subsidise a higher fuel fill because someone on bored cant stop eating.
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