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Old December 8th, 2019, 10:48 AM   #3661
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Problem is CoS's obsessive control via restrictive rules and regulations that (to repeat what I've written many times before) strive to prevent the worst
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in doing so they prevent the best, the most imaginative, the most inspired.

Council DCP's are developed by planners in a philosophical cage and not by the best available talents, ergo, my comments about architects being reduced to 'exterior decorators' too often.

As for the associated costs of design competitions, there are benefits in terms of FSR &/or height and such, which make it worthwhile for the developer.

While some may feel the 'track record' for design competitions is questionable, I am not one them. The problem is not with the architects but with council's stringent cleansing approval process which interferes and almost invariably reduces the design character to something more bland. What that says about planners' and 'design consultant' committees' egos is not commendable.

Basically council needs to employ the best available planners from outside council, to not set such restrictive design parameters and stick to ensuring all practical requirements are satisfied. And to keep their little sticky fingered egos out of the aesthetics.
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Old December 8th, 2019, 01:41 PM   #3662
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Article about new Central Sydney Planning Strategy height rules etc. (I know it’s been posted, I’m just posting a photo of the article as it was in the DT today).

Sorry about the size.

PS - Tapatalk makes it so easy to post photos.

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Old December 8th, 2019, 03:51 PM   #3663
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I had some fun with AutoCAD + Plex.Earth tonight.





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Old December 8th, 2019, 09:42 PM   #3664
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nearly all of your proposals still wouldn’t be allowed as they are in low zones
i still think all rules are in place for sun impact ect, talls only allowed along spine of cbd
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Old December 8th, 2019, 11:16 PM   #3665
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nearly all of your proposals still wouldn’t be allowed as they are in low zones
i still think all rules are in place for sun impact ect, talls only allowed along spine of cbd


Most of my proposals don’t significantly overshadow any significant public spaces. Exception being Belmore Park which I can live with.

It’s more some fun to show what *could be* with liberalised development in and around the CBD.
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Old December 9th, 2019, 12:21 AM   #3666
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^yeh agree, but after seeing the 1;2000 model you will see what i mean for areas zoned for lowrise med rise highrise ect.

like this 3d graph showing the blue zone heights
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Old December 9th, 2019, 12:47 AM   #3667
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^yeh agree, but after seeing the 1;2000 model you will see what i mean for areas zoned for lowrise med rise highrise ect.

like this 3d graph showing the blue zone heights


Yes but my point is to ignore a lot of what the City of Sydney deems appropriate. Because their paradigm is so often a recipe for dullness.

Yet, the only SAPs I’m breaking are:
- Belmore Park (but buildings to the north and NW should be skinny resi to lessen arvo shadow impact).

- Hyde Park’s SW corner.

That’s literally it. Everything else I’ve proposed pretty much fits. Obviously, things like replacing the awful “three bears” on Elizabeth St at Central are not part of the strategy. But they do not overshadow Prince Alfred Park significantly so who cares. They would also allow the site to be renewed and made less shite.

There’s plenty of places where scale goes suddenly from low rise to high. The change is often quietly thrilling and “interesting”.

So again. It’s more an exploration of what could be possible with liberalised CBD & Surrounds laws. Outside the dull paradigm of CoS.
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Old December 9th, 2019, 02:11 AM   #3668
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yeh agree with dull CoS strategy,but its here to stay. CoS dont understand words thrilling and interesting, only conservative and dullness
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Old December 9th, 2019, 08:07 AM   #3669
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It’s interesting how a progressive council turns out to be very conservative. Depends, obviously, on how you measure “conservative”, but yeah.
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Old December 9th, 2019, 08:09 AM   #3670
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Comes from the top, as in any organisation.
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Old December 9th, 2019, 12:40 PM   #3671
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There's a lot of blue on the western side of the CBD.... an area which has had generally far too short buildings. A good thing to see.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 02:43 AM   #3672
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Doesn't it have to be in this zone tho? I can't see the Maritime Trade Towers and Westpac being demo'd anytime soon? Shoulda been the rest of Knt St.


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Old December 10th, 2019, 02:55 AM   #3673
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Agreed.... 330m should be allowed for all blocks west of George street.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 11:50 AM   #3674
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The proposed design of the new eastern entrance to Central Station and Central Walk has been revealed as Central undergoes its biggest upgrade in decades.



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Old December 10th, 2019, 11:54 AM   #3675
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Meh.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 01:02 PM   #3676
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They torn down perfectly good Bounce Hotel to make way for this generic crap.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 01:07 PM   #3677
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They torn down perfectly good Bounce Hotel to make way for this generic crap.
The hotel would not let you walk through the basement across to the platforms so it had to go.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 10:22 PM   #3678
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That's just the station portal, the eventual building above will likely be more engaging.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 11:43 PM   #3679
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That's nothing new, we have seen those ages ago...? Entrance is meh, it could have been as much a statement as what lies beneath it.
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Old December 11th, 2019, 12:38 AM   #3680
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Generic crap. Looks like Warsaw 1960. Hideous.
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