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Old September 10th, 2019, 11:10 AM   #1141
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Critical step in vision for Carlisle Waverley Viaduct


A 10-YEAR campaign to reopen a Carlisle viaduct may take a step forward tonight - as councillors discuss the next steps.

Carlisle City councillors will consider - among other things - a motion put forward by Les Tickner indicating his and the authority’s support for the Carlisle Waverley Viaduct Trust (CWVT) and its ambitions to reopen the public walkway.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...erley-viaduct/
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Old September 12th, 2019, 09:37 AM   #1142
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370 homes to go ahead


Controversial plans to build nearly 400 new homes in Whitehaven look set to be given the green light next week.

The proposed development,which would see 370 houses built at Harras Moor, is to go before Copeland’s planning panel on Wednesday.

The scheme, put forward by Homes England, has been criticised by residents of the neighbouring estates.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...omes-go-ahead/
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Old September 12th, 2019, 06:02 PM   #1143
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Critical step in vision for Carlisle Waverley Viaduct

A 10-YEAR campaign to reopen a Carlisle viaduct may take a step forward tonight - as councillors discuss the next steps.

Carlisle City councillors will consider - among other things - a motion put forward by Les Tickner indicating his and the authority’s support for the Carlisle Waverley Viaduct Trust (CWVT) and its ambitions to reopen the public walkway.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...erley-viaduct/
And the News & Star is reporting that a motion supporting the plan was passed today, although I don't think it is the one mentioned in the report linked to above. Details are rather sketchy as I post this:

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...t-move-passed/
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Revealed: Ambitious plans to transform Carlisle's Citadel railway station


AMBITIOUS plans for Carlisle’s Citadel railway station and the area around it will help transform the city into a prestigious capital for the Borderlands Region.

A revamped station and shopping gateway will welcome commuters and visitors of the future.

That was the proud claim from Carlisle’s MP John Stevenson as Cumbria County Council opened consultation on the £15m project.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...-capital-city/
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Old September 13th, 2019, 10:32 PM   #1145
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Revealed: Ambitious plans to transform Carlisle's Citadel railway station

AMBITIOUS plans for Carlisle’s Citadel railway station and the area around it will help transform the city into a prestigious capital for the Borderlands Region.

A revamped station and shopping gateway will welcome commuters and visitors of the future.

That was the proud claim from Carlisle’s MP John Stevenson as Cumbria County Council opened consultation on the £15m project.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...-capital-city/
Should this post not have been better placed in the Cumbria Transport thread as it is primarily about the station?

Cumbria County Council website from which most of the News & Star report is lifted: https://news.cumbria.gov.uk/News/201...lerailway.aspx

Dedicated website on the consultation: https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/CSGCC/default.asp

Direct link to the consultation document (PDF): https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/elibrary/...4371915057.pdf

Ignoring all the grandiose waffle from the politicians, my first thoughts are:

After looking through the documents the impression I get is that whoever made these proposals thinks Carlisle Station can be turned into more of a retail centre than a station, as seems to have happened to some stations in the major cities. But this is Carlisle, which, although it is an important transport hub and retail centre for the area, is hardly comparable to Manchester or Leeds. I question why, as is stated in the document, "the station would benefit from more shops & cafes". It is a railway station.There is one shop (Smiths), a bar and two cafes. What more does a station need. It is not a long walk to the main shopping area of the city.

Mention is made of the cluttered and poorly laid out Court Square in front of the station. This is an issue, but until a new car park, taxi rank and coach pick-up/drop-off for rail replacement work can be provided there is little that can be done. The proposal is for these vehicular facilities to be moved to what is described as the "former Pools (swimming baths) site", although the the Pools are still there. This would also require much improved access from that area, mention being made of a new entrance on the southern side of the station. This seems like a good idea, although as it would require use of the undercroft a lot of work would be needed to improve that part of the station. If it all comes to pass this would be a great improvement, but I would think it would also need a lot of road improvements in the area, as road access to the area is currently poor.

I am not convinced that the station entrance is "cluttered and uninviting". When entering the station it is obvious that the shop is on the right and the ticket windows are on the left, with the platforms straight ahead. There is an issue with smokers congregating around the entrance, and larger information screens would be a good idea, but I do not see much clutter. Perhaps the entrance area is a bit narrow, but that is a consequence of the original station design and I am not sure how easily that could be changed with it being a Grade II* listed building. The main impediment to progress is, I think, the coffee shop & seated area installed a few years ago right opposite the entrance on platform 4, which restricts the circulating area considerably, especially for accessing platforms 7 & 8 and the north end of platform 4.

Overall, some positive ideas about road and pedestrian access but too much obsessing about retail.
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Old September 14th, 2019, 10:12 AM   #1146
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Should this post not have been better placed in the Cumbria Transport thread as it is primarily about the station?

Cumbria County Council website from which most of the News & Star report is lifted: https://news.cumbria.gov.uk/News/201...lerailway.aspx

Dedicated website on the consultation: https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/CSGCC/default.asp

Direct link to the consultation document (PDF): https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/elibrary/...4371915057.pdf

Ignoring all the grandiose waffle from the politicians, my first thoughts are:

After looking through the documents the impression I get is that whoever made these proposals thinks Carlisle Station can be turned into more of a retail centre than a station, as seems to have happened to some stations in the major cities. But this is Carlisle, which, although it is an important transport hub and retail centre for the area, is hardly comparable to Manchester or Leeds. I question why, as is stated in the document, "the station would benefit from more shops & cafes". It is a railway station.There is one shop (Smiths), a bar and two cafes. What more does a station need. It is not a long walk to the main shopping area of the city.

Mention is made of the cluttered and poorly laid out Court Square in front of the station. This is an issue, but until a new car park, taxi rank and coach pick-up/drop-off for rail replacement work can be provided there is little that can be done. The proposal is for these vehicular facilities to be moved to what is described as the "former Pools (swimming baths) site", although the the Pools are still there. This would also require much improved access from that area, mention being made of a new entrance on the southern side of the station. This seems like a good idea, although as it would require use of the undercroft a lot of work would be needed to improve that part of the station. If it all comes to pass this would be a great improvement, but I would think it would also need a lot of road improvements in the area, as road access to the area is currently poor.

I am not convinced that the station entrance is "cluttered and uninviting". When entering the station it is obvious that the shop is on the right and the ticket windows are on the left, with the platforms straight ahead. There is an issue with smokers congregating around the entrance, and larger information screens would be a good idea, but I do not see much clutter. Perhaps the entrance area is a bit narrow, but that is a consequence of the original station design and I am not sure how easily that could be changed with it being a Grade II* listed building. The main impediment to progress is, I think, the coffee shop & seated area installed a few years ago right opposite the entrance on platform 4, which restricts the circulating area considerably, especially for accessing platforms 7 & 8 and the north end of platform 4.

Overall, some positive ideas about road and pedestrian access but too much obsessing about retail.

Yes I thought of posting this article on both threads, but opted on this one------never mind,---wonder what peoples thoughts are about these plans though,---cheers.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 09:31 PM   #1147
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From the Cumberland News

"£3.6m plan for new retirement village

A vision has been unveiled for a trailblazing £3.6m retirement village in north Cumbria.

Work is starting to create a complex – one of the first of its kind in the UK – in the grounds of an Edwardian mansion on the edge of Carlisle.

The scheme at Scalesceugh Hall, south of the city, is designed to be an alternative to nursing homes and sheltered accommodation. It is inspired by similar developments in Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand.


Full story at http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news...ecced1b7b1a-ds
Oh dear. Things have gone somewhat awry, as Scalesheugh Hall burnt down today.

I went past this morning on a bus and there were several fire fighting appliances at the hall, and on my return this afternoon there was still one damping the remains down. Where this leaves the development is not yet known.

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Fire crews have spent most of the night battling a blaze which ripped through an Edwardian mansion.

The fire broke out at Scalesceugh Hall, at Carleton near Carlisle, at just before 11pm.

Multiple firefighters from across the north of the county turned out to tackle the flames, including seven engines, an aerial ladder platform, a water bowser, unimog (multi-purpose vehicle) and joint incident command unit.

The building was well-alight when they arrived.

The incident was finally brought under control by about 6am, but fire crews remain at the scene.
Full story at https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...ht-major-fire/ ,which has several videos of the hall, including some rather depressing drone footage.
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Old September 19th, 2019, 08:50 PM   #1148
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370 homes to go ahead

Controversial plans to build nearly 400 new homes in Whitehaven look set to be given the green light next week.

The proposed development,which would see 370 houses built at Harras Moor, is to go before Copeland’s planning panel on Wednesday.

The scheme, put forward by Homes England, has been criticised by residents of the neighbouring estates.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...omes-go-ahead/
Reported in The Whitehaven News that this has been refused by the council's planning committee, against the advice of the planning officers:

https://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/new...d-councillors/
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Old September 20th, 2019, 01:33 PM   #1149
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More Whitehaven plans, this time for a "coastal activity centre" by the harbour. Plenty of detail in the Whitehaven News report and it sounds rather interesting. I particularly like the mention of a gallery space to show works by Percy Kelly, a local artist who is rather belatedly getting the recognition he is due.

From the Whitehaven News:

Plans for £3 million coastal activity centre take step forward

An application to build the Cumbria Coastal Activity centre has been submitted to Copeland council’s planning panel by the community interest company behind the project.

The building, which will be characterised by an innovative and distinctive design inspired by local sandstone blocks, would be aerodynamic, sustainable and built with materials sympathetic to the area.

Facilities would include a new slipway, ten rooms for overnight accommodation, changing facilities and multi-purpose rooms to be used for training courses, performances and other activities.


Full story at https://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/new...-step-forward/
The government's Coastal Communities Fund has awarded £2.45 million for the Activity Centre. From a Government Press Release:

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Cumbria Coastal Activities Centre - £2.45 million
The centre will create a dedicated facility for water sports and recreational activities at Whitehaven Harbour. The proposed low carbon Cumbria Coastal Activities Centre building will include an activity, arts and community centre with a multi-purpose event and educational space.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...al-communities

Whitehaven News story on this good news, including more detail and quotes from interested parties:

https://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/new...million-boost/
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This from the News & Star,--


Go-ahead for solar farm at expanding industrial park


A SOLAR park the size of four football pitches is to be built on a Carlisle industrial park.

Executives at Kingmoor Park say the development will be a further boost to the estate, feeding its private energy supply.

Permission for the scheme has been granted by Carlisle City Council.

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New care homes to open in April

COPELAND'S new multi-million care home is due to welcome residents next month.

The facility on the former Sekers site in Whitehaven, named by the county council as The Gables, is complete and residents are due to start gradually moving in from the end of April.

The 60-bed care home replaces four older ones in the area: Dentholme, Castle Mount, Pow Beck and Brackenthwaite.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...open-in-april/
Despite being open since April the official opening is apparently on Thursday, according to the Whitehaven News:

https://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/new...icial-opening/
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This from the News & Star,--

Revealed: Ambitious plans to transform Carlisle's Citadel railway station

AMBITIOUS plans for Carlisle’s Citadel railway station and the area around it will help transform the city into a prestigious capital for the Borderlands Region.

A revamped station and shopping gateway will welcome commuters and visitors of the future.

That was the proud claim from Carlisle’s MP John Stevenson as Cumbria County Council opened consultation on the £15m project.

Read more https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...-capital-city/
I went down to the consultation at the station last Friday and managed to speak to the project leader.

Basically the idea is to remove almost all motorised traffic from the square in front of the station which is a good idea, as it is rather cramped, and when rail replacement is needed there is little room for coaches. The issue I see with utilising the site to the south of the station is that it is an awkward shape and road access is not at present very good: how this can be improved could be a major task. There is, apparently, an entrance to the station on the south side which is very underused (I didn't realise it was there) and involves use of the undercroft and a lift - it will be necessary to make this approach much more inviting.

Use of this site is dependent on the closure of The Pools and it's relocation to the new Sands Centre. Work on that cannot start in earnest until the temporary leisure facility on the site of the old Newman School is ready (work has not yet started). I was told that the plan was to start work on the station scheme in early 2021, but I can see that slipping due to delays in the Pools relocation.

I still don't understand the obsession with shops and cafes, except that it has been suggested that the entrance area could be improved by moving the current shop elsewhere, thereby creating a larger circulating area. Why more cafes would be needed is beyond me. There are already two, plus a bar on the station.

Now to fill in my feedback form and make some suggestions in writing.
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Old September 25th, 2019, 06:13 PM   #1153
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Newman School



Mention (by me) of Newman School made me realise that I had not yet photographed its demise. So despite rather indifferent weather I put that right today:

From the riverside footpath




A couple of the buildings still standing, but presumably soon to meet their fate:




Some remains (!) as seen from Victoria Place




Part of the school about to be taken away:


And a reminder of what the school looked like and why it has been abandoned. These rather indifferent shots were taken on an old point & shoot in January 2005. The flooding in December 2015 was worse than this, such that I could not get near the school.




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I wandered along to the Viaduct today to see what progress had been made in the construction of the car park which is replacing the two now-demolished buildings (Lonsdale House and Lower Gaol Yard.)

No real progress is the answer! All the debris has gone but there is precious little sign of any work on the construction of the car park.

Something has finally happened here. It actually looks not too far from being ready for action, although the ticket machines have not appeared yet, although the "Pay Here" posts have been installed.

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Work appears to have started on Portland Square. I drove past today and scaffolding and sheeting have appeared in the week and a half I have been away from home. I must get out there with the camera.
And I finally did get out with my camera, on what was a rather dreary day today.

Not much to see at the front:


A bit more at the back, although it is too cramped to get any better shots than this:


Apparently the new homes will be "exclusive homes for everyone", which doesn't make much sense to me. Surely if something is for everyone it can't be exclusive.
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Old October 4th, 2019, 09:06 AM   #1156
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This from the News & Star,--

Plans revealed to transform Bitts Park lodge in the wake of floods



This is how the lodge that sits within Carlisle’s Bitts Park could look as part of plans to improve the popular attraction.

The building, currently out of use, is set to be given a new lease of life as Carlisle City Council looks to continue improving flood resilience in the park following Storm Desmond.

The existing pavilion was severely damaged along with the public toilets and depot when the park flooded in December 2015. However the lodge, which sits adjacent to the car park, only suffered minor flooding in its basement.

Read more This is how the lodge that sits within Carlisle’s Bitts Park could look as part of plans to improve the popular attraction.

The building, currently out of use, is set to be given a new lease of life as Carlisle City Council looks to continue improving flood resilience in the park following Storm Desmond.

The existing pavilion was severely damaged along with the public toilets and depot when the park flooded in December 2015. However the lodge, which sits adjacent to the car park, only suffered minor flooding in its basement.
The planning application for this, 17/0984 has been withdrawn. I have no idea why at the moment.
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Disputed homes plan to go ahead


CONTROVERSIAL plans for a 27-home estate on the historic gateway to Cockermouth have now been given the green light.

The plans were previously turned down because of their proximity to a landmark Georgian mansion.

The proposals for Low Road were thrown out in April by Allerdale’s planning panel amid fears that the houses would spoil the area around The Fitz.

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Welcome tourism news for the north east of the county, hopefully. I don't know why the local rag uses the phrase "near Brampton" rather than Gilsland - I would have thought most readers would know where the Gilsland Hall Hotel was.

Having tasted the spa water at Gilsland I hope there is not too much emphasis on the curative powers of the water: it does not taste very nice, being rather rich in sulphurous compounds

From the Cumberland News:

"Ambitious £5.5m scheme revealed for hotel near Brampton

An historic hotel near Brampton is set to undergo a multi-million pound refurbishment programme to become a "must-visit retreat".

Northern Powerhouse Developments is investing £5.5m to modernise Gilsland Hall Hotel, which will include the addition of a spa, swimming pool and self catering holiday cottages.

The Halifax-based firm bought the former convalescent home, known locally as Glisland Spa, from the Co-op - which has owned the building and its grounds for more than 100 years - in December last year.

It's now revealed details of an ambitious scheme to breathe new life into the 19th century property.

A rolling refurbishment is due to begin in the winter and will include the construction of a new building within the existing grounds to accommodate spa facilities and a swimming pool."


Full story at http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news...96e30e083aa-ds
Clearly none of this will happen, as apparently Northern Powerhouse Developments went into administration in July and the hotel is up for sale again.

From the News and Star:

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Gilsland Hall Hotel on market for £1.55m

The historic 93-bedroom Gilsland Hall Hotel, near Brampton, was bought by Northern Powerhouse Developments, based in Elland, near Huddersfield, from the Co-op in December 2017.

In May last year, the company announced plans to develop the hotel, known locally as Gilsland Spa, including the addition of a swimming pool and self-catering holiday cottages.

However, this July Gilsland Hall was placed in administration and has now been put up for sale by Christie and Co for £1.55m.
Full story at https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...-market-1-55m/
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Planning application submitted for Grange Lido refurbishment


A PLANNING application has been submitted for a scheme to make the derelict Grange Lido site stable, safe and accessible.

South Lakeland District Council’s planning committee will consider planning approval for the project to stabilise the buildings and carry out structural repairs. Listed building consent will also be required.

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Oh dear. Things have gone somewhat awry, as Scalesheugh Hall burnt down today.

I went past this morning on a bus and there were several fire fighting appliances at the hall, and on my return this afternoon there was still one damping the remains down. Where this leaves the development is not yet known.

Full story at https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...ht-major-fire/ ,which has several videos of the hall, including some rather depressing drone footage.
Fighting talk from the owners of the Hall reported by the News & Star. Apparently they are looking to restore the exterior and roof of the hall in "record time", presumably prior to rebuilding the interior.

News & Star story: https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...ng-six-months/
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