Nordhavnen | Northern Docklands | Projects & Construction

[moveteam]

Originally Posted by kapo311

The only skyscrapers in Nordhavnen will be the old silos, thats the whole point But it will be very dense and urban area.

However, there have long been plans for 2 skyscrapers with bridge inbetween Marmormolen and Langelinie.

I know, but 40-50 years is a long time, nothing is (should be) set in stone. And while the LM Project is beautiful, the towers are certainly not skyscrapers

[Never give up]

New video (virtual slentretur) of Nordhavn development from By and Havn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDco...ature=youtu.be

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A little more from the Unicef/UN area.
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[Hafnia]

Nice and close

[Hafnia]

Metroline for Nordhavn has been adopted http://ibyen.dk/gadeplan/ECE1663013/...en-metrolinje/

[vester]

What now is missing is the link over Syhavnen to Ny Ellebjerg.

Maybe a stop somewhere between Trianglen and Nordhavnen would be a good idea.

[Markowitch]

Originally Posted by Hafnia

Metroline for Nordhavn has been adopted http://ibyen.dk/gadeplan/ECE1663013/...en-metrolinje/

Great news! The metro is partly funded by the sell of land, and by extending the metro to Nordhavn, the land there will become more valuable for developers, and hence bring more money to the metro.

Put in perspective, we see a metro that grows into neighborhoods where nobody lives, where a profit motive is given more weight than solving peoples urgent transportation needs. The development of Nordhavn will take us well into 2040's, but the day to day running cost of this, mostly empty new extension, will be lifted by the public for years to come, until Nordhavn has reached it's full potential. Is this reasonable?

This currently inefficient extension of the metro, into no man's land, could very likely make public transportation more expensive. There are great plans for Nordhavn, but until executed, the metro extension could become a burden on society.

[bongo-anders]

But you forget that they will save alot of money by building it at once and as you say they will probably get more money out of Nordhavnen than without a metro.

[Markowitch]

I have thought about that. There will be some savings by building the extension now, as opposed to later, but it is possible that the extra yearly maintainence costs, that the metro extension require, will eat up those savings over a time period. It will definately make the metro more expensive to operate in the years to come.

[bongo-anders]

But we are talking about a few kilometres of extra tracks, 2 stations and was it 10-15 extra trainsets, of course its a little bit more expensive but in the total pictures it doesn't sound like alot.

[kalaha]

Originally Posted by bongo-anders

But we are talking about a few kilometres of extra tracks, 2 stations and was it 10-15 extra trainsets, of course its a little bit more expensive but in the total pictures it doesn't sound like alot.

It is only two extra trains according to By & Havn's report: http://www.byoghavn.dk/files/Udredni...Nordhavnen.pdf

[bongo-anders]

oh sorry, but then its even better to start up with the line straight away.

[Markowitch]

The extension of the Metro, to the underdeveloped no mands land of Nordhavn, will cost around 2.8 billion kroner. It's expected to serve only 12.000 passengers in... wait for it... in 2030!

I'm no NIMBY - I don't even live in Copenhagen! But why are there so little debate about this staggering use of public funds? Y'all now, that if the land in Nordhavn can't be sold for the asking price, someone has to pick up the tap!

Public transportation should be for the public, to the public and by the public . Building an extension into nowhere, is debatable, to say the least, and there is an awfull risk. In the mean time public transportation elsewhere will suffer.

Let's take a short look at how these 2.8 billions is supposed to be materialized.

1. The government - 191.000.000 kr.
2. The Copenhagen Municipality - 300.000.000 kr.
3. Passengers and land sale - 2.300.000.000 kr.

The numbers are taken from here:
http://ing.dk/artikel/130291-elkunde...havns-nordhavn

I think it's cool to see so much new infrastructure in Copenhagen, but this little 2.9 km extension carries an awfull pricetag and can only be reasonable in the most optimistic growth projections.

A little detail from the above article, is that the Copenhagen Municipality will finance it's part of the deal by selling the power transmission company KE Transmission for approximately 1.3 billion kroners. And here's the gem. Because the Municipality will use the money from the sale immediately on metro and school renovations, they have to pay 60% tax to the state!

[Markowitch]

The site Letbaner.dk has an interesting opinion piece about the metro expansion into the almost desolated Nordhavn area.

They propose that underground branching chambers should be constructed, so as to prepare for a future expansion to Nordhavn. The expansion itself should wait.

http://letbaner.dk/nyheder/00425/

[bongo-anders]

But the agenda for that website has always been anti metro so no surprises there.

[Markowitch]

Originally Posted by bongo-anders

But the agenda for that website has always been anti metro so no surprises there.

And your agenda has always been pro metro? What kind of comment is that anyway. Look at the numbers - this Nordhavn extension is expensive either way you look at it, but who gives a damn anyway.

The extension to Nordhavn, is a "Like" on Facebook and then we don't have to think about it anymore. Finance and money are booooooring technicalities. Let's not be ubset by the fact that housing prices in the Zealand area falled with 12% last year, and that is it unlikely that the sale of land in Nordhavn will meet the expected asking price. Let's not worry about the metro passengers picking up the tap.

http://www.realkreditraadet.dk/Nyt_-...n=1&NewsId=762

[bongo-anders]

Okay anti metro is probably a strong word, probably more pro light rail instead of metro is a better word but look at their reports about lightrail in Copenhagen its all about how much more lightrail you can get instead of the metro circle line.

[Markowitch]

Yes, and Letbaner.dk's proposal for financing the light rail must be flawed, since they propably can't expect to get so much money from the sell of land in Nordhavn, without a metro. But then again, as in the Norhavn extension, the passengers will have to pick up the tap.

However, I like the central motive of the Letbaner.dk argument. Build public tranportation where people live and work. It will be more profitable, and hence a better use of money, but it will also keep cars out of the city, which was the whole deal with the now failed congestion toll ring.

With a projected estimate of 12.000 daily passengers in 2030, the Nordhavn extension must be one of the best examples on how to blow away 2.8 billion kr. on public transport.

The only thing that can make this pig fly is the sell of land in Nordhavn. But I wonder how successful this will be considering how much is already on the market right now, and the present economic climate.

http://www.byoghavn.dk/da-DK/Forretn...Grundsalg.aspx
http://www.nordhavnen.dk/NHErhverv/N...Salgskort.aspx

[Never give up]

OK not perfect, but better than the present situation.

http://www.byoghavn.dk/da-DK/Presse/...DF7E3456AF37B2

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[J_S]

Hello Guys
I have been following this forum for a couple of years now, but I have not yet posted something, so i thought it was about time to do so.

Update 25.07.2012

The remaining part of the UN building has reached it's top floor. Pictures are taken from Nordhavn station.






A lot of activity is going on at Østerbrogade near Svanemøllen station, for the construction of the new Nordhavnstunnel.




The temporary pedestrian bridge, crossing where the new tunnel will be located.


I hope you are all able to see my pictures, as this is my first time trying.
Cheers!