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Old October 17th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #41
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@Peter999: Tak! Så skal det forstås at kommunen gik på kompromis med sejlerne så vi får ramper? Det kan jeg godt leve med hvis ikke der er et grimt rækværk langs ramperne.

Skulle broerne ikke kunne betjenes automatisk af sejlerne selv? Er det andet end en flok gamle nisser der frygter enhver ændring?
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Old October 17th, 2012, 01:38 AM   #42
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Hvordan betjeningen skal foregå, husker jeg ikke.

Tegning af rækværk på ramper til Cirkelbroen:



Kilde: Nordeafondens hjemmeside

Jeg har ikke målt ramperne, men skyder på at rampehøjden er et sted mellem en halv og en hel meter.

Så omtrent halvdelen af rampehøjden må skyldes kommunens imødekommelse af bådejere - og den anden halvdel må skyldes at Olafur Eliasson tilsyneladende ikke tidligt havde sat sig tilstrækkeligt ind i det han tegnede (afstand mellem vandoverflade og kajkanter, og/eller tykkelsen af brokonstruktionen).

Men i øvrigt kan det da være forfriskende når kunstnere forsøger sig med arkitektur - eksempelvis også Bjørn Nørgaards Bispebjerg Bakke.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 04:05 PM   #43
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Hvis vi kun taler om Cirkelbroen, har du helt ret: Den sydlige del af Christianshavns kanal er næsten tom for sejlbåde. Denne del af kanalen er lukket inde bag Knippelsbro. Knippelsbro har frihøjde 5,4 meter, og åbning har siden 2012 været gratis (men tidligere dyrt).

Den nordlige del af Christianshavns kanal er derimod fyldt med sejlbåde.

Se luftfoto her: http://binged.it/Xith6O

Spørgsmålet er om den nordlige ende vil blive lige så tom, som den sydlige ende er i dag? Selv en oplukkelig bro udgør åbenbart en slags barriere. Måske pga. tidsbestilling, spærretider, aften/natlukning. etc.

Der er mange, der ikke har båd, men nyder at kunne gå langs kanalen og se på bådene. Deraf bekymringen, selv om der også er fordele.
Jeg havde faktisk ikke sat mig ind i at den nordlige del også blev lukket inde. Ja, der ligger en masse både og jeg ynder at gå der. En skam hvis det miljø forsvinder.

Det var den sydlige del jeg havde opfattet indsigelsen gik på.

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Old October 18th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #44
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Jeg havde faktisk ikke sat mig ind i at den nordlige del også blev lukket inde. Ja, der ligger en masse både og jeg ynder at gå der. En skam hvis det miljø forsvinder.

Det var den sydlige del jeg havde opfattet indsigelsen gik på.

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I don´t understand the expression often used on this thread, "lukket ind" when you refer to construction of bridges at both ends of Christianshavns Kanal. They are not planning to fill the canal in but are built lifting/swinging bridges, just like they have in Holland.

The price boat owners have to pay, for an extremely centrally located boat berthing place, is that they, in the future have to plan when they go out on a sailing trip.
The bridges will open once every hour and are free of charge for the boat owners.

The result is that a very large number of cyclist and pedestrians will be able to enjoy the harbour and the new connections between the different parts of (also) their city and the sailing boats can stay where they are.

Yes, I also love the sight of the boats in Christianshavns Kanal.
I am sure there are hundreds of boat owners on the waiting list for berth places, who would be very happy, should one or two discontented boat owners decide to leave because of the new bridges.

I consider the whole of this debat a storm in a glass of canal water.


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Old October 18th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #45
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Københavns Kommunes broåbningspolitik marts 2011:
https://www.kk.dk/~/media/9451A8AA5F...4570AFF6F.ashx

1 åbning i timen i højsæson + åbning kun ved forudgående bestilling i lavsæson. Det opfattes nok ikke som specielt frit i forhold til i dag. Desuden spærretider og åbningstider, som tilsyneladende dog er blevet mere bådvenlige efter høringer.

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I am sure there are hundreds of boat owners on the waiting list for berth places, who would be very happy, should one or two discontented boat owners decide to leave because of the new bridges.
Jeg tror gerne at der er venteliste, men hvorfor ønsker de ventende ikke at placere sig i den sydlige ende af Christianshavns kanal, bag en (siden januar 2012) helt gratis oplukkelig bro med frihøjde 5,4 meter?
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Old October 19th, 2012, 03:29 PM   #46
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This guy must be the ultimative NIMBY.

http://politiken.dk/ibyen/nyheder/ga...til-diamanten/
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Old October 19th, 2012, 07:34 PM   #47
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Agree.

If that is not a ligth weight bridge I don't know what is.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #48
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Nu vil jeg nødigt lyde som Lars von Trier på et uheldigt pressemøde men jeg forstår godt et af klagerens argumenter:

"[...] den eksisterende lokalplan, der blot nævner en 'let gangbro' [...] Hvornår har du set en let gangbro, der er 25 meter høj?"

Kilde: http://politiken.dk/ibyen/nyheder/ga...al-i-byretten/

Kommunens ikke-besvarelse på det spørgsmål fremgår af side 5 og efterfølgende i http://www.kk.dk/eDoc/Teknik-%20og%2...24/6239569.PDF

Natur- og Miljøklagenævnet har efterfølgende udtalt at lokalplanens bestemmelse om "lette" gangboer ikke er "klar" nok til at forhindre 25 meters (konstruktionsmæssigt) unødvendig overbygning med master og wire. Hvor "klart" skal det så være?

Kilde: http://www.nmknafgoerelser.dk/ShowDo...0713-000p-full

På den anden side:

Med den gadeadresse, kommunen oplyser om klageren, vil jeg dog (ud fra maps.bing.com) tro at der kun ryger et hjørne af hans - i forvejen ikke alt for imponerende - udsigt til Diamanten.

Klager frygter værdifald: Lejligheden er iflg. ois.dk købt til 38.500 kr. pr. kvadratmeter i 2009, så mon ikke også meget andet end broen, bedre kan forklare evt. værdifald - og dermed gøre det svært for ham at løfte bevisbyrden i bro-sagen.

Og hvorfor skulle udsigten til en kunstfærdig bro være dårligere end udsigten til et kunstfærdigt bibliotek?
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Old October 21st, 2012, 04:38 PM   #49
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Godt spottet Peter999. Priserne i KBH K er steget en smule siden 2009 så held og lykke til Hr. Zorn med at bevise noget som helst.

Mon ikke området bliver mere værd nu hvor det er forbundet med Islands Brygge? Og på sigt hele havnen bliver bedre koblet sammen?
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Old October 21st, 2012, 07:10 PM   #50
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Klager frygter værdifald: Lejligheden er iflg. ois.dk købt til 38.500 kr. pr. kvadratmeter i 2009, så mon ikke også meget andet end broen, bedre kan forklare evt. værdifald - og dermed gøre det svært for ham at løfte bevisbyrden i bro-sagen.

Og hvorfor skulle udsigten til en kunstfærdig bro være dårligere end udsigten til et kunstfærdigt bibliotek?
What kind of moral has this guy Anders Zorn who wants compensation for the drop in value of his flat from the taxpayers.
Ironic when you think that there is absolutly no compensation for people much more affected than Anders Zorn, living close to metro building sites.
It reminds me of the compensation claim raised by Forum, when they were building the station just beside them. In my opinion Forum should have paid a large sum of money to the metro company for the benifit of getting a station just outside their door. Thats what they do in some cities.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 09:31 PM   #51
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What is worse is that excessive litigation is a huge cost on society. If everyone acted like Zorn whenever the minutest change was enacted then nothing would get done.
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Hi, do you know, what for those towers have been installed (see left part on the photo). ?



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Hi, do you know, what for those towers have been installed (see left part on the photo). ?
They are part of a ship used for installation or maintenance of windmills

DR: Kolossalt kran-skib i Københavns havn

TV2: Kæmpeskib til kaj i København

Windfarm Installation Vessel
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Many thanks!
Is the ship open for the public ? For some kind of excursion trip ?
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Yes, this Saturday, cf. this article - now translated by Google:

DR: Tremendous crane ship in Copenhagen harbor
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I am sure there are hundreds of boat owners on the waiting list for berth places, who would be very happy, should one or two discontented boat owners decide to leave because of the new bridges.
Jeg tror gerne at der er venteliste, men hvorfor ønsker de ventende ikke at placere sig i den sydlige ende af Christianshavns kanal, bag en (siden januar 2012) helt gratis oplukkelig bro med frihøjde 5,4 meter?
Har du (eller andre) fundet en forklaring på dette mysterium - hvorfor tilsyneladende ingen fra ventelisten til nord-enden ønsker at placere sig i den sydlige ende af Christianshavns kanal, bag en (siden januar 2012) helt gratis oplukkelig bro?

Hvis man er på venteliste, og hvis det er attraktivt med placering bag broer med 1 gratis åbning i timen uden for spærretider, så burde man vel med kyshånd tage imod en placering i den sydlige ende af Christianshavns kanal?

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Here's some more pictures of the new bridge.





And now for some bonus shots of that huge ship that is anchored up at Ophelia Beach, just besides skuespilhuset.





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Old October 26th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #58
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Is the ship open for the public ? For some kind of excursion trip ?
Thanks.
Another video from the ship can be seen here:

http://epn.dk/brancher/transport/ski...cle4886950.ece
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Tak! I will visit it tomorrow for sure!

Some photos of new under-construction status bridges :





And one more : do you know what kind of construction is there ? Near "Nykredit" Kuben house ?
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Thanks for the update!
The barge at Nykredit is going to take some samples of the soil under the harbour, before the foundation work begins in november.

http://politiken.dk/ibyen/nyheder/ga...byens-borgere/

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