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Old July 26th, 2011, 07:53 AM   #41
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It's great to see Nairobi get the attention it deserves. There's been so much foreign investment and focus on S.A compared to other SSA countries and seeing things take off in a different region is exciting. I've got high hopes for the East Africa block in general.
Ya, U are right, SA Has been getting, and is still getting a disproportionate share of Investment in Africa for such a loong time...
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You refer to it as "fringe" Africa based on what? Position/Geography?
Geography. The culture; they tend to be more Westernized in every respect. That'd be the main reason. I always thought they were a bit politically extreme compared to the rest of Africa. Ideologies like socialism and even radical Islam always took a back seat to local customs but those ideas specifically socialism really took hold in southern Africa - so political extremism is definitely another big category.
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Old July 26th, 2011, 08:12 AM   #43
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Geography. The culture; they tend to be more Westernized in every respect. That'd be the main reason. I always thought they were a bit politically extreme compared to the rest of Africa. Ideologies like socialism and even radical Islam always took a back seat to local customs but those ideas specifically socialism really took hold in southern Africa - so political extremism is definitely another big category.
The moment i read the word socialism, Tanzania is the first country that came to mind. There've been various African leaders in different regions who've held extreme or socialist ideologies.
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It seems that West Africa is the region that escaped socialism/communism/etc, during the Cold War. Or am I forgetting some obvious country?

The only countries I know that embraced those leftist ideologies are Tanzania, Angola, Libya and Ethiopia. Who else?
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Old July 26th, 2011, 08:24 AM   #46
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Ya, U are right, SA Has been getting, and is still getting a disproportionate share of Investment in Africa for such a loong time...
The trick though is for other African countries in East Africa to bring themselves up to the level of competition present by Kenya asap. I once read an article about Botswana that stated that because of investment in SA and its capacity to manufacture goods this made it difficult to diversify the Botswana economy. You go to Botswana and most of everything you see is brought in from S.A. Of course it's a much smaller country than any of the East African countries and there are other dynamics at play but generally, other countries just have to try to compete at an early stage.
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The only countries I know that embraced those leftist ideologies are Tanzania, Angola, Libya and Ethiopia. Who else?
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Old July 26th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #48
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It seems that West Africa is the region that escaped socialism/communism/etc, during the Cold War. Or am I forgetting some obvious country?

The only countries I know that embraced those leftist ideologies are Tanzania, Angola, Libya and Ethiopia. Who else?
Ghana.

@Janub, Islam is generally not widely practiced in Southern Africa. Perhaps you meant to mention Christianity?
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It seems that West Africa is the region that escaped socialism/communism/etc, during the Cold War. Or am I forgetting some obvious country?

The only countries I know that embraced those leftist ideologies are Tanzania, Angola, Libya and Ethiopia. Who else?
Mozambique, Zimbabwe, South Africa (to a lesser extent but strongly on a party/political basis). Southern Africa definitely had the highest concentration - Mengistu was the only guy in East Africa who really took after hardcore socialist ideology.
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The trick though is for other African countries in East Africa to bring themselves up to the level of competition present by Kenya asap. I once read an article about Botswana that stated that because of investment in SA and its capacity to manufacture goods this made it difficult to diversify the Botswana economy. You go to Botswana and most of everything you see is brought in from S.A. Of course it's a much smaller country than any of the East African countries and there are other dynamics at play but generally, other countries just have to try to compete at an early stage.
well, I don't think Kenya has a huge leap over its neighbors like SA does in southern africa. We have to remember they're all still poor and developing. Most are pretty much around the same size economically, and not too far apart population wise (disregarding big ethiopia)..
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Old July 26th, 2011, 08:40 AM   #52
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Yep, we were once socialists.

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well, I don't think Kenya has a huge leap over its neighbors like SA does in southern africa. We have to remember they're all still poor and developing. Most are pretty much around the same size economically, and not too far apart population wise (disregarding big ethiopia)..
Kenya perhaps not, but Nairobi yes. The thing that helps it is the cosmopolitan nature that honestly can't be found anywhere else in East Africa. It has less of a uphill battle to climb.
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Mozambique, Zimbabwe, South Africa (to a lesser extent but strongly on a party/political basis). Southern Africa definitely had the highest concentration - Mengistu was the only guy in East Africa who really took after hardcore socialist ideology.
Socialism in Zimbabwe predated independence. It seemed as though the country would turn to capitalism in 1990 but that never happened. I forgot to mention Zimbabwe because with all the chaos of the past decade it seems madness by that despot has been the only ideology.

There are more than a handful of Africans that turned to socialism at one point or another. The Gambia is another country with a socialist political party but i don't think they've made much headway there.
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Old July 26th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #54
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Kenya perhaps not, but Nairobi yes. The thing that helps it is the cosmopolitan nature that honestly can't be found anywhere else in East Africa. It has less of a uphill battle to climb.
That's definitely the case.
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Old July 26th, 2011, 09:10 AM   #55
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It seems that West Africa is the region that escaped socialism/communism/etc, during the Cold War. Or am I forgetting some obvious country?

The only countries I know that embraced those leftist ideologies are Tanzania, Angola, Libya and Ethiopia. Who else?
DRC (As Zaire) from 1971-2002 and even now the economy is still mostly Socialist.
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Meh,I don't think Johannesburg has anything to worry about as yet.Sure Nairobi is and will continue to be a regional centre but I just don't see companies leaving Sandton for Nairobi.
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What Kind of companies??
Are u referring to SA companies, which will most certainly be based in SA, or Multinationals venturing into Africa?
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This trend started gathering pace in 2007, when General Electric, Young & Rubicam, Google, Coca-Cola, Airtel and Cisco Systems relocated their African headquarters to Nairobi. I'm glad to see the trend continuing.
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multinationals, I presume. Nairobi is competitive as a regional hub, but many pan-African multinationals will continue to be based in Jozi, its just simply too competitive. Not really trying to negate the good news for Kenya, good for them. It's good that FDI is spread around...
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What Kind of companies??
Are u referring to SA companies, which will most certainly be based in SA, or Multinationals venturing into Africa?
Multinationals and SA companies. I know Nintendo's Africa HQ is in Johannesburg.

But anyways, don't worry naijaborn, Lagos ain't out of the spotlight. It'll attract the companies who are looking for a piece of Africa's largest consumer market. Cosmopolitan city in the making too, no? You know in my Lagos thread, I found a lot of interesting stuff about the city when I was posting pics. From its growing culinary scene (example: A Taste of Lagos..pics were on bella naija), the nightlife is popping with all the events, clubs, etc. in the city, the construction going on. I mean you don't even have to be there to know that the city is going somewhere.

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Meh,I don't think Johannesburg has anything to worry about as yet.Sure Nairobi is and will continue to be a regional centre but I just don't see companies leaving Sandton for Nairobi.
I don't even see why any company would leave Joburg for Nairobi if they're doing perfectly fine where they're at. A multinational can have offices in both cities too, afterall. I mean it'd make sense. Can't see the Johannesburg quarters of a multinational being the only office in charge of a company's operations in all of Africa.

and yeah Joburg has nothing to worry about (as if it did anyways), but slowly some cities outside of SA are offering alternatives for companies looking to enter Africa somehow. Which imo is a good thing as they're finally developing, and not being shunned.
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