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Old October 9th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #21
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Butembo, you should compare Ukraine with other European countries not with Africa.
Back to Africa....Why Tunisia has better living standards than the Africa's best reformer Rwanda? and why does Rwanda has too many foreign workers when millions of Rwandans are in chronic unemployment?
So, the reform is to bring in lots of freigners while the locals stay poverty?
South Africa also faces the same problems, brings i neducated foreigners while they have chronic unmemployyment.

You overhyp the FDI investors thing....most of the economy must be developed by the locals.

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Old October 10th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #23
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Butembo, Tunisia started after independence with investing in tourism, social projects etc. They were one of the few who started with social housing, giving people easily acces to credit.
That is the most important thing why they are ahead of Rwanda and others.

30 years ago Mauritius was very poor and mainly depending on sucre production.
Mauritius was one of the first in Africa who reformed to attract more FDI. Thanks to FDI Mauritius could diversify its economy and launch its manufacturing.



Butembo you really underestimate FDI. Every developing Asian country is competing hard for FDI, but you think it is not that important..
A country needs FDI but also a big private sector and SME..

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There are 25 libraries in Port Said, 97 in Alexandria and 444 in Cairo (with an additional 186 in Giza).

http://www.egyptlib.net.eg/Site/Library/LibraryMap.aspx

Special mention for Biblotecha Alexandrina which houses Arabic, English and French books, it is the largest depository of French books in Africa, the MENA region and the sixth largest in the world as a whole. The library itself has enough shelves to house eight-million volumes. The Egyptian National Library is the biggest though in terms of collections.
Are they accessible for those who don't live in Alexandria or we have to travel?
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Old October 10th, 2015, 04:08 AM   #25
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that important..
A country needs FDI but also a big private sector and SME..
We've already been through this. you know my position i know yours.


Most Africans still have problems understanding the meaning of education.. like Lydon, Herachio and Wus said.

That is the topic.

The developed and some developing countries have made it this far because they are run by leaderships that understand education.

When you look in Africa, you clearly understand that that Africans leaders are uneducated. its even worst in SSA.
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Old October 10th, 2015, 06:23 AM   #26
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What's with Mister and Butembo? I see you guys everywhere, always on each other's neck!

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Old October 10th, 2015, 09:27 AM   #27
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They're arguing about right hand or left hand which one is more important!
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Old October 25th, 2015, 08:13 AM   #28
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Education (including language factor) is the biggest challenge to African education.
You just have to see how horrible economic and political management of African countries are.


In DRC there used to be this general notiion that speakinng French or English or protuguse very well, or having senior college degrees somehow make the person automnatically a password to being an intelligent person than the rest.
Its sad because a big chunchk of the populattion still beleive this...but its good news because another part of the population has dicovered that this belief is Rubbish. LOL

How did some people find out? well, this pass terrible 20 years the country has been in unearthed this myth. through both social polituiucal and economic hardship.

Considering the before the wars the State was the biggest employer, it used to be he who speaks French well, gets the job and ethnocentric (Trablism as its called) played a big part in the getting a job pprocess and at this time, the private Congoldr sector was almost innexistent.

But since the early 90s as the economy collapsed, more than 3 million people loose jobs, people started opening small and medium businesses started pupping up, war followed, things got worst, , by mid 2000s, these small and medium businesses continue to grow etc...Private schools boomed....This brought up meritocracy in the culture. Not tribe/ethnic advantages, no that i speak French so well, i have these college degrees so im qualified for the job, but rather merit.....This is the best thing that has happened to this country since Independeence.


Its interesting, tho so much remain to be done.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #29
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I am all for Egypt promoting English or French instead of Arabic. Having a population that speaks and writes fluently english is a huge boost for the economy attractivity. I know Azmat will disagree with me.
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Why? because Americans will come to invest in the country?


I was under impression that Egypt has English and French in certain schools? and French English learning Centers?
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I was under impression that Egypt has English and French in certain schools? and French English learning Centers?
No because the process of globalization requires bilinguism and even more.. Egypt has a couple of college branch privately owned from abroad but we don't have much schools from the public sector.

One thing is sure, the french community in Egypt is weak.
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I am all for Egypt promoting English or French instead of Arabic. Having a population that speaks and writes fluently english is a huge boost for the economy attractivity. I know Azmat will disagree with me.
You are right. In Morocco Arabic and Berbers are useless . You need to speak good French to get a good job. English is becoming a requirement in Morocco. Even some French companies in Morocco require that employees know English.

I remember that an EU ambassador said that speaking Arabic, Berbers etc is not going to develop Morocco. That people need to learn English or French..
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Morocco is slowly moving to English. The prime minister, many ministers and politicians are calling for replacing French with English as the primary language of higher education. A think thank also advized to replace French.
Many Moroccans already learn English.
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No because the process of globalization requires bilinguism and even more.. Egypt has a couple of college branch privately owned from abroad but we don't have much schools from the public sector.

One thing is sure, the french community in Egypt is weak.
That is weird. Egypt is a very strategic country. i always thought that English was a second language.


In DRC , especially Eastern areas were Swahili is spoken English has been tought as a class from middle school levels and even elemetary school in private schools... there are lots of English learning centers in many large cities. and some TV stations have ENglish news programs.




French is simpply useless. they no longer have ecpnomic influence in the world, so they Its just women language now.
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That is weird. Egypt is a very strategic country. i always thought that English was a second language.


In DRC , especially Eastern areas were Swahili is spoken English has been tought as a class from middle school levels and even elemetary school in private schools... there are lots of English learning centers in many large cities. and some TV stations have ENglish news programs.




French is simpply useless. they no longer have ecpnomic influence in the world, so they Its just women language now.
Well look. Egypt's biggest expat community is in the Gulf countries (UAE,KSA, Kuwait and Qatar). Most of the Egyptian expats living there are normal Egyptians who are graduate in Egypt are not considered in their new country. The problem is that Egypt lacks of specialized graduates due to lack of academy potential in the country. The most better ranked university in Egypt is Cairo's one in the 570th spot while the second one is ranked 1070 and the third 1193 (American university in Cairo). Cairo university is well known to be mostly with Arabic curriculum with no bilingual potential while the American university in Cairo is mostly english yet they are ranked poorly.

Lack of reform? Mostly.
Lack of teacher graduated from abroad? Yes.
Problem of centralization? Hell yes.

Egypt's education system is totally screwed and there is no way i'd work there as a teacher if i turned out to be one.

Butembo.. Even if english popularity is slowing down. It doesn't change the fact that the language is globally spoken. I know that the real deal right now is learning the Japonic language or the mandarin but the problem is that Africa fails to attract or at least a couple of students in China or Japan so they can return with a specialization. We don't have this mindset of improving like Asia had in the 50's till now.

Egypt last year implemented a educational reform but it turned out to be a fallacy because of the central role of the state. The government should quit reforming everything and implement a council which has the mind to reform and give advices to the country.
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Educationnl reform is something hat's progressive process . not an overnight and short term thing, tho there are some short term programs as well as long term programs.
It should be easy in countries like Egypt etc...where they have 1 language only.


For a country such as DR Congo,it needs to promote education first in it 2 major languages which are the lingua Franca..
DRC's overall education needs an absolute reform. not just linguistic side.
It needs to focus so much on quality, the current French system we have is so stupid and no quality at all.

Industries like Cinema and this new internet age is also another thing that Africans needs to invest in as part of education promotion IMO.
Many ways of prooting education...Its just about having the right leadership to make this a reality.

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Thi however, must be hand in hand with economic development especially accomplishing the development of basic social sector.
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Why? because Americans will come to invest in the country?


I was under impression that Egypt has English and French in certain schools? and French English learning Centers?
No because we will have a more specialized diaspora capable to leave to other countries. One of the reason why we collectively fail outside is due to our lack of language connaissance. Here in Montreal we don't have a big expat community nor we have one in France. Maybe a bigger in Britain but yet we don't have to Chinese offices recruiting in Egypt nor we have the West going to Egypt to recruit younger generations. As a matter of fact, the biggest recruiting center are usually from the Gulf countries for cheap labouring.

Usually most of our scientist and educated people are leaving through asylums or immigration by meeting the respective embassy rather than a institutional program to bolster cooperation.

If we take the exemple of the West, most of the future graduates have good chances to end up in the Asian market because of the high interest committed by China, Japan and Korea. Unfortunately we rarely see this in Egypt.

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The new generations of Arabs and Africans in the West have good chances to move to Asia rather than returning to Africa and i wouldn't refuse the opportunity unless North Africa decides otherwise and try to attract their diaspora to their respective country.
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Educationnl reform is something hat's progressive process . not an overnight and short term thing, tho there are some short term programs as well as long term programs.
It should be easy in countries like Egypt etc...where they have 1 language only.


For a country such as DR Congo,it needs to promote education first in it 2 major languages which are the lingua Franca..
DRC's overall education needs an absolute reform. not just linguistic side.
It needs to focus so much on quality, the current French system we have is so stupid and no quality at all.

Industries like Cinema and this new internet age is also another thing that Africans needs to invest in as part of education promotion IMO.
Many ways of prooting education...Its just about having the right leadership to make this a reality.

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Thi however, must be hand in hand with economic development especially accomplishing the development of basic social sector.
What makes the education successful is how varying the population is. Why do you think the Western educational institutions encourages language seminar? It's in the interest of all the countries to have a bilingual or a trilingual population. What comes next through the reforms is mainly from the competence of the administration rather than a complexe situation..
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What makes the education successful is how varying the population is. Why do you think the Western educational institutions encourages language seminar? It's in the interest of all the countries to have a bilingual or a trilingual population. What comes next through the reforms is mainly from the competence of the administration rather than a complexe situation..
We should also encourage student exchange programs across the continent.
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