City Circle + Harbour Line (M3+M4) | Metro

[Never give up]

Originally Posted by mlm

By request from the thread starter () I've changed the title from "Copenhagen's new Cityring metro" to "City Circle Line (M3+M4) | Copenhagen Metro".

and to supplement the new title , lets have a refresher of the City Circle Line´s position in the city.

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and a map showing it´s relation to the exsisting railway lines.

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and finally the expected passenger figures for the stations.

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[moveteam]

Thanks mlm

NGU, added the pictures to the first post.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Never give up

and finally the expected passenger figures for the stations.

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The number of passengers is high! The whole subway system in Oslo had 208.000 passengers per day in 2010 (76 mio / 365 days). Where are all the passengers to the new system in Copenhagen comming from?

[Galro]

Could it simply be because we in Oslo have large areas that are not covered by the metro? Our system consist of lines going from a couple of surburbs down trough sentrum with two or three large stations, while Copehangens map seem to cover most of the city. It's more like a surburbia-express here.

[moveteam]

Bus services will probably be reduced drastically by 2018?

I updated the first post with this:

Originally Posted by moveteam

Everything about the new City Circle Line, Circle Line or Cityring in Copenhagen should be collected in this thread.

• The Circle Line wil serve 17 underground stations and is expected to rise the yearly ridership by 100-110m.
• Most recent construction costs are estimated at 21bn Danish crowns, which equals to just under €3bn, when it's done in 2018.
• Design of the stations is also expected to follow the same pattern as now (daylight in underground) but with much more variety than the current stations, which can be hard to distinguish from each other.

A quick graphic from me:

[IceCheese]

240.000 (total) / 100 (average capacity of a bus) = 2.400 busses per day? I don't think you have that many!

Will the new line also run automaticly on 24 hour service?

[ramblersen]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

= 2.400 busses per day? I don't think you have that many!

Not buses, bus loads - a bus fills up many times a day.

With the excellent coverage I guess there is a good chance that people will hop on and off many times a day. Iguess it will steal passangers from all other means of transportation, also our beloved bicycles, and walking which we tend to do quite a lot of here with the dense urban proximities and short distances. And I think it will increase overall mobility - living one minute from a station I will certainly be more liable to make a short excursion to the other end of town when it's just a short metro ride away.

[Grauthue]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

The number of passengers is high! The whole subway system in Oslo had 208.000 passengers per day in 2010 (76 mio / 365 days). Where are all the passengers to the new system in Copenhagen comming from?

Well, Copenhagens new circle line is indeed very impressive, but I have to correct you a bit. Daily ridership in Oslo was probably around 280.000 in 2010 (don't have the exact number).

Daily ridership is the average number of passengers on working days (monday to friday), so you can't just take 76.000.000 / 365. According to Wikipedia the number was 268.000 in 2009 with 74 mill annual passengers.

The numbers for Copenhagen seem sensible to me. They could well end up higher. The stations are after all located in very densly populated areas unlike much of Oslos network which is going through low density villa areas.

(BTW: Stockholms metro has a daily ridership of well over a million!)

[kapo311]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

The number of passengers is high! The whole subway system in Oslo had 208.000 passengers per day in 2010 (76 mio / 365 days). Where are all the passengers to the new system in Copenhagen comming from?

Cityringen vil betyde 35.000 flere kollektive personture i hovedstadsområdet i et hverdagsdųgn. Det er en stigning på 3,4%. De nye kollektive rejser er jęvnt fordelt på tidligere bilister (34%), cyklister (31%) og fodgęngere (26%). www.metrocityring.dk

In English: Cityring will increase the nr of passengers in Greater Copenghagen by 35.000 a day. That is an increase of 3,4%. The new passengers will be former drivers (34%), cyclists (31%) and pedestrians (26%).

Doing the math it shows that 205.000 people will be taken off buses. This means ca 20% less buses on the streets, less pollution and more room for everyone.

[kalaha]

Originally Posted by moveteam

[CENTER]A quick graphic from me:

If you wants to translate all station names to English, you can use the word "circle circus" for "runddel", so it's "Vibenhus Circle Circus" and "Nørrebro Circle Circus".

[ramblersen]

...or Circus - although it may provoke unintended connotations.

[Satchmoo]

@ Moveteam: Totally off-topic; but I was wondering which font type you have used for your graphics...?

[moveteam]

@kalaha Fixed! Plus I edited 'Frederiksberg Allé' to 'Frederiksberg Avenue'!

@Satchmoo League Gothic - fantastic type.

[Sven G]

BTW, it's interesting to see that the Copenhagen Metro is labeled as "M", as mostly happens in southern Europe (while, for example, in Germany they use "U" for U-Bahn and in Sweden "T" for Tunnelbana).

Will we ever get a common nomenclature among European countries? That would be even better: for example, "S" for suburban trains (S-Bahn, S-tog, RER, etc.), "M" for metros, "T" for tramways, "B" for buses; and so on.

Probably not on the current agenda of the EU, however (too much focus on bureaucracy, economicism, etc.)...

[Xed]

Originally Posted by Sven G

BTW, it's interesting to see that the Copenhagen Metro is labeled as "M", as mostly happens in southern Europe (while, for example, in Germany they use "U" for U-Bahn and in Sweden "T" for Tunnelbana).

Will we ever get a common nomenclature among European countries? That would be even better: for example, "S" for suburban trains (S-Bahn, S-tog, RER, etc.), "M" for metros, "T" for tramways, "B" for buses; and so on.

Probably not on the current agenda of the EU, however (too much focus on bureaucracy, economicism, etc.)...

Hmm, I guess some would call your proposal "bureaucracy"

[groentje]

Originally Posted by Xed

Hmm, I guess some would call your proposal "bureaucracy"

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A little couleur locale ads to a place. Look at the Ampelmänchen in East Berlin, it's a city icon.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Sven G

BTW, it's interesting to see that the Copenhagen Metro is labeled as "M", as mostly happens in southern Europe (while, for example, in Germany they use "U" for U-Bahn and in Sweden "T" for Tunnelbana).

Will we ever get a common nomenclature among European countries? That would be even better: for example, "S" for suburban trains (S-Bahn, S-tog, RER, etc.), "M" for metros, "T" for tramways, "B" for buses; and so on.

Probably not on the current agenda of the EU, however (too much focus on bureaucracy, economicism, etc.)...

Oslo is in the process of changing the "T"s from T-bane to "M"s for metro...

[Hafnia]

Originally Posted by Sven G

BTW, it's interesting to see that the Copenhagen Metro is labeled as "M", as mostly happens in southern Europe (while, for example, in Germany they use "U" for U-Bahn and in Sweden "T" for Tunnelbana).

Will we ever get a common nomenclature among European countries? That would be even better: for example, "S" for suburban trains (S-Bahn, S-tog, RER, etc.), "M" for metros, "T" for tramways, "B" for buses; and so on.

Probably not on the current agenda of the EU, however (too much focus on bureaucracy, economicism, etc.)...

Nomenclature, nomenclature, I just learned a new word here..
I don't get it. Why should everything has to be the same ? There should be room for diversity in a united Europe.

[Sven G]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Oslo is in the process of changing the "T"s from T-bane to "M"s for metro...

Really? That's quite interesting...

[Sven G]

Originally Posted by Hafnia

Nomenclature, nomenclature, I just learned a new word here..
I don't get it. Why should everything has to be the same ? There should be room for diversity in a united Europe.

Well, English is not my "native" language, so I don't know if this "scientific" word is the most appropriate here...

Anyway, there are things for which it makes sense to be unified and others for which diversity is a good thing; IMHO, on the technical front unification makes sense: for example, having the same electrical voltage in homes and offices across Europe is a very good thing (and it would be even better to have the same plugs and sockets).

Another example: the telephone numbers format, which could very well be unified also in Europe, as happens, for example, in the U.S. (but shame on them for not yet having gone metric and many other things, however).

Etc. etc.: and, thus, for example, also public transportation symbols.

Diversity, OTOH, is excellent on other fronts, such as popular culture and similar things.