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Old January 22nd, 2020, 07:39 PM   #8421
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Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, Toronto is still a city built for and focused on the masses. It's one of the reasons immigrants flood into Toronto year in, year out. The downside is that the skyline gets filled with modest looking buildings at lower price points, others built for students, and others that are actually public housing. They're built to satisfy a need rather than make an exclamation point in the skyline.

US cities seem to stick their poor out on the periphery where no one can see them. New towers that go up in places like Manhattan, Chicago, or San Francisco are almost all built for the affluent. Their designs reflect that.

Things are changing in Toronto though. There's a lot of money sloshing around so increasingly you see luxe/super luxe buildings going up here too. I do love looking at beautiful expensive buildings but prefer the trade off we have: less attractive skyline but a city built for everyone. Canada is generally a far more egalitarian society and it manifests itself in many ways.
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Old January 22nd, 2020, 08:17 PM   #8422
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In honesty, I think people tend to exaggerate the quality of the infill for run of the mill buildings built in other cities. I'm not referring to the
ultra deluxe projects, just the infill built to house people or offices.
Chicago:


https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/illi...views-chicago/





New York:



https://videohive.net/item/4k-new-yo...-view/22095682


Miami:


https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/163932



Los Angeles:



http://www.wildnatureimages.com/Aerial_Downtown_LA.htm


Melbourne:





https://www.fotosearch.com/CSP736/k19839880/

Sydney:


https://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-...ban-background



Vancouver:




https://www.peakaerials.com/2017/03/...our-vancouver/




Montreal:



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I have found that in Toronto we tend to have higher expectations of ourselves than we do of other cities. And we tend to be perennially disappointed. No matter what gets built here in the next 20 years, I can't foresee this changing.
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Old January 22nd, 2020, 11:34 PM   #8423
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Old January 23rd, 2020, 05:52 PM   #8424
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Now if only they could make the outside -10C and snowing all winter.

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In honesty, I think people tend to exaggerate the quality of the infill for run of the mill buildings built in other cities. I'm not referring to the
ultra deluxe projects, just the infill built to house people or offices.

I have found that in Toronto we tend to have higher expectations of ourselves than we do of other cities. And we tend to be perennially disappointed. No matter what gets built here in the next 20 years, I can't foresee this changing.
We'll have to disagree on that point. My first time here I was absolutely floored by the type and number of ramshackle shabby buildings in Toronto ..... many of them at the level of refinement you stumble upon in economically depressed rural areas in the middle of nowhere. These things aren't limited to suburban strip mall areas either, you'll find them on Yonge Street downtown and in practically every direction. Despite 14 years of frenetic construction massive investment you can still see such buildings everywhere.

When I visit other cities I certainly don't find major streets or neighbourhoods in their downtowns with vinyl siding, cheap plastic doors/windows, brick that looks like it was bought at a yard sale, etc. And the poor quality of our public realm just makes a bad situation that much worse.

People in cities globally complain just like Torontonians but the issue is far more dire here. I try not to focus on it because I know it's being stripped away block by block but it's shockingly bad as far as I'm concerned. People who've been here a long time are just used to it and view it as normal. It hits me like a ton of bricks every time I return here from somewhere else. I'd struggle to find buildings like these below in Manhattan, central London, or the centre of any global city. If you saw these on/just off Robson Street, Avenue of the Americas, Oxford Street, St. Catherines, etc. your jaw would drop.


That Kabul Express building is 1 block from Dundas Square.... and this level of refinement is very common in Toronto


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The modest buildings that were once decent usually look like this... and this is Yonge Street not some abandoned street in Brantford


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Start from 1:10 to see the crazy cycling on the cliff liked rocks.

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Now if only they could make the outside -10C and snowing all winter.



We'll have to disagree on that point. My first time here I was absolutely floored by the type and number of ramshackle shabby buildings in Toronto ..... many of them at the level of refinement you stumble upon in economically depressed rural areas in the middle of nowhere. These things aren't limited to suburban strip mall areas either, you'll find them on Yonge Street downtown and in practically every direction. Despite 14 years of frenetic construction massive investment you can still see such buildings everywhere.

When I visit other cities I certainly don't find major streets or neighbourhoods in their downtowns with vinyl siding, cheap plastic doors/windows, brick that looks like it was bought at a yard sale, etc. And the poor quality of our public realm just makes a bad situation that much worse.

People in cities globally complain just like Torontonians but the issue is far more dire here. I try not to focus on it because I know it's being stripped away block by block but it's shockingly bad as far as I'm concerned. People who've been here a long time are just used to it and view it as normal. It hits me like a ton of bricks every time I return here from somewhere else. I'd struggle to find buildings like these below in Manhattan, central London, or the centre of any global city. If you saw these on/just off Robson Street, Avenue of the Americas, Oxford Street, St. Catherines, etc. your jaw would drop.


Courtesy of AlbertC

I believe we are talking about two different things. You are talking about old infill built sometime last century, but the article was referring to new skyscrapers going up. I assume of the ilk in CityPlace, as many people seem to imagine that all towers going up look like those in CityPlace.

Just to digress, of the type of old low rise you speak of, Vancouver has oodles and oodles and oodles of them. Older cities like Manhattan and London have gentrified enough that you don't see these types of buildings in Knightsbridge or near 5th Avenue, but you see tons of them in New York as soon as you go over the bridge to Brooklyn or Queens. And as we know, London also has a lot of rundown places with ramshackle cheap old buildings, but just away from the touristy area.
Toronto is a younger city and growing now. Bit by bit the cheesiest of these old buildings disappear.
But again, that is not what I was referring to.
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I'd consider situating myself on top of this guy but that's as high as I'm willing to go.


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Old January 24th, 2020, 09:17 AM   #8429
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Apparently, this is what a map of Canada looks like when drawn from the Centre of the Universe!


https://twitter.com/JeffreyLuscombe/...re-universe%2F

Made me laugh out loud! hehe...
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I can sketch quite a lot of maps from memory, and I can outdo that map in (almost) every way!
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I think it was done on purpose.
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It reminds me one of these funny maps

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There are a whole whack of them.





And all those Canada - Jesusland maps:


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Excellent advice!



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It must be a nuts joke, I never have this nuts loose problem on any of my cars since I got my driver license.
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I've heard of it happening; people who don't screw the nuts on properly and the wheel becomes loose. Once a wheel is loose, it doesn't take much time at all before it falls off, doing huge damage and possibly death if you are out on the highway.
Back in the day when I had a car I used to check them once in awhile.
Also, nowadays you never know if some delinquents decide they want to "prank" your car. Anything for a prank, nowadays.
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And you need to keep your piston lubed.
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