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Old August 26th, 2019, 07:08 PM   #841
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The Dalian solution. Look where it got us.
Hopefully, our TOR is better written and we won't accept delivery for a non-compliant dam to help win an election in 2022.
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Old August 27th, 2019, 06:19 PM   #842
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Hopefully, our TOR is better written and we won't accept delivery for a non-compliant dam to help win an election in 2022.
How does one do that? A dam is irreversible. What happened to the Japanese proposal?
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How does one do that? A dam is irreversible. What happened to the Japanese proposal?
Ain't no such thing as a "non-compliant dam"! There is a "non-compliant dam owner/ operator", though. Dams can still be removed, though it will entail large costs! The US has done removing some old dams which were into disrepair. 72 dams were removed in 2016 and many more rivers were restored to original conditions, IMO. If it can be done anywhere, the Philippines can do the same--> remove constructed dams for reasons!

The powers that be decided to choose a "dam" construction and not a "weir". perhaps the Japan proposal lost on technicality as government wanted a "dam" not "water availability".
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How does one do that? A dam is irreversible. What happened to the Japanese proposal?
Exactly.

So the BURI-Dalian BS Mar, Abaya, Noynoy, et al did, won't happen in this case.

The Japanese proposal is for a weir, NOT a dam. It is inferior and more expensive, and more importantly, won't ensure the security of Metro Manila's potable water supply in the long term, or even the medium term.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 12:02 AM   #845
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Ain't no such thing as a "non-compliant dam"! There is a "non-compliant dam owner/ operator", though. Dams can still be removed, though it will entail large costs! The US has done removing some old dams which were into disrepair. 72 dams were removed in 2016 and many more rivers were restored to original conditions, IMO. If it can be done anywhere, the Philippines can do the same--> remove constructed dams for reasons!

The powers that be decided to choose a "dam" construction and not a "weir". perhaps the Japan proposal lost on technicality as government wanted a "dam" not "water availability".
In your IMO. Non compliant means it doesn't follow the specs. Blame the owner, the construction company, but the evidence of non-compliance is the actual "thing." Without the evidence, nada.

Once you alter the natural state, it is irreversible. You might be able to rejuvenate the area, but it's no longer the original. Just keep your fingers crossed that everything goes back the same natural state. Let's not play semantics.
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In your IMO. Non compliant means it doesn't follow the specs. Blame the owner, the construction company, but the evidence of non-compliance is the actual "thing." Without the evidence, nada.

Once you alter the natural state, it is irreversible. You might be able to rejuvenate the area, but it's no longer the original. Just keep your fingers crossed that everything goes back the same natural state. Let's not play semantics.
Dams cannot comply, do you agree? If a dam construction is not to specs or code provisions, that is what we call "not to code" or "not to specs". The owner/ operator is the sole actor of whether to comply with the codes or not.

It is a proven phenomenon that nature heals itself given the time and conditions favorable for it to take its course. There's no question/s about that. In my experience, I have seen with my own eyes a barren, dry land turn into a lush and lively forest-->after 20 years of care! We should call a spade, a spade!
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TINGNAN: Isang malinis na Estero de Binondo sa Maynila ang ibinida ng Pasig River Rehabilitation Commission - PRRC sa kanilang Facebook page nitong Huwebes, Agosto 29. Ito ay bunga anila ng kanilang clearing operations sa lugar.
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Old September 3rd, 2019, 02:06 PM   #848
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^ Hopefully, 30yrs from now, we'd be fishing along Pasig River. England did it with River Thames. We can as well.
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Just imagine the tourism potential if we can revive Pasig and Manila Bay to safe levels.

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^ Siargao was impressive having banned ALL plastic bags. I don't know of any other town/s who've done the same?

Boracay managed it, but only in the tourist areas like white beach. If you go to where the locals live, plastic is still everywhere.
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^ Siargao was impressive having banned ALL plastic bags. I don't know of any other town/s who've done the same?

Boracay managed it, but only in the tourist areas like white beach. If you go to where the locals live, plastic is still everywhere.
Romblon has had a plastic ban since 2011 (?) of course no one knows that. It also has the most number of number of marine sanctuaries (apparently) and spear fishing only (no purse seiners allowed).
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Romblon has had a plastic ban since 2011 (?) of course no one knows that. It also has the most number of number of marine sanctuaries (apparently) and spear fishing only (no purse seiners allowed).
Wow. They should not only be showcased, but DENR should make them a case study. Almost a decade of no plastic bags, are they better now? If not, then what next?
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Wow. They should not only be showcased, but DENR should make them a case study. Almost a decade of no plastic bags, are they better now? If not, then what next?
I haven't been back since, so I wouldn't know. But I can always ask them if it has worked. Yeah, I was impressed then with their ban and conservation efforts. They were trying for sure.
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ENR, LLDA support plan to source more water from Laguna Lake
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The Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) is in favor of sourcing additional water supply from the Laguna Lake, officials said Friday.

Environment Secretary Roy Cimatu and General Manager Jaime Medina of the Laguna Lake Development Authority (LLDA) revealed their position to lawmakers regarding government’s action plan to address the water shortage that plague Metro Manila.

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Medina wants Congress to earmark additional budget for dredging and rehabilitating Laguna Lake and improve its water quality to a level that is good enough for human consumption.

“Sa ngayon po, ang quality ng tubig sa Laguna Lake ay Class C. It is suitable for fishery, pero hindi pwede ipaligo at kung ano pang gawain,” Medina pointed out.

“Kailangan po ng dredging para mapalalim at maparami ang volume na kayang i-store ng ating lawa. Sa ngayon po, ang budget namin ay around P400 million a year. For the dredging and cleanup, we need more funds to do that,” he added. —VDS, GMA News
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^ Can you sell the silt/soil to SMC for the NMIA recla project?
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Pati yung sa Subway sir pede ring ibenta ke SMC panambak.
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It depends on the type of soil. If it is silt and mud, they got plenty of that in Manila Bay. The problem with that planned reclamation is subsidence. The area where they plan to do the reclamation had sunk already. They need more than mud, silt, soft soil for reclamation. 1000 years later Venice is sinking, 20 years later Osaka airport is slowly sinking.

I think it is best to follow what the Belgian dredging company planned to save the silt and muck and use them for a dikes around the LdB. They also proposed a special technique to contain them....LdB had a depth of 9 m in 1900, and it's now down to 3 m only (?). Lots of water they can keep in that lake. Best news I've heard yet re Laguna de Bai. They can clean up the lake, then have filtration plants.
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It depends on the type of soil. If it is silt and mud, they got plenty of that in Manila Bay. The problem with that planned reclamation is subsidence. The area where they plan to do the reclamation had sunk already. They need more than mud, silt, soft soil for reclamation. 1000 years later Venice is sinking, 20 years later Osaka airport is slowly sinking.

I think it is best to follow what the Belgian dredging company planned to save the silt and muck and use them for a dikes around the LdB. They also proposed a special technique to contain them....LdB had a depth of 9 m in 1900, and it's now down to 3 m only (?). Lots of water they can keep in that lake. Best news I've heard yet re Laguna de Bai. They can clean up the lake, then have filtration plants.
Those plants in Laguna de Bay were already part of the concession agreement with Manila Water (and maybe Maynilad as well?), and they should have been completed years ago.

This why the MWSS regulator should have been fired after the water shortage last May.

Now they're fastracking those plants. As usual, reactive tayo at walang foresight. Napakabasic yung dredging lalo pag alam mo may siltation. Hindi na dapat pinaguusapan yan kasi part talaga yan sa maintenance.
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