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Old November 5th, 2017, 03:45 PM   #61
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Old November 5th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #62
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For airport express it could use this technology like in kesei railway in japan that connects the city to narita airport and it can run 160 kph.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 03:49 PM   #63
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Marami silang pwedeng gamitin na tren na akma pareho para sa North and South plus the Bicol Express that will run mostly in elevated line.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 03:51 PM   #64
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I think sa pier ba gagamitin ay kasing taas ng NLEX connector na tatakbo halos katabi nito kundi man ay medyo above sa 2 lane elevated highway na ito.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 06:11 PM   #65
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Old November 5th, 2017, 06:37 PM   #66
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May tanong po ako, etong project ng DOTR ay itutuloy lang yong naumpisahan dati na itinigil? Gaya nang nasa photo sa baba since nakatengga ng matagal ang mga pier, i guess compromised na ang structural integrity nyan.



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Old November 5th, 2017, 09:58 PM   #67
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Hindi napo they will built a new structure.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 07:35 AM   #68
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Hmm, kung tuusin, the Malolos to Clark is still a wet dream at JICA is only committed from Tutuban-Malolos.

And based from Boo's article today, it was the Japanese themselves that insisted on not using the Chinese-made piers.

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So we have been reading headlines and news stories of trillions of dollars in ODA from China and Japan to fund those projects in their list. The thing is, before the money starts flowing that would allow construction work to start, our government must present feasibility studies.

The only project with such a study now is the Tutuban to Malolos railway line because it was a leftover project from P-Noy’s time. PNoy asked JICA to take over from the Chinese. But even here, JICA had to revise the FS to comply with the insistence of DOTr Sec. Art Tugade to use standard gauge rails rather than narrow gauge.

The JICA guys, however, insisted on demolishing the two kilometers of posts installed by the Chinese despite Tugade’s insistence to build on it. The Japanese engineers do not want to take responsibility for faulty Chinese construction or possible substandard cement or steel used. But that project should be a “go.”

Completing the line from Malolos to Clark is another thing altogether. It needs its own FS and even now, someone at NHA should work to move residents out of the PNR right of way. I don’t think that’s being done.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 09:38 AM   #69
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from the same article

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ADB president Nakao expressed Japan’s impatience in no uncertain terms. “We need to act, we need to show results instead of just talking beautifully”
This is how incompetent DOTr and DPWH is. Hangang plano lang ang alam, walang implementation. Kaya panay FS after FS ang mga projects natin since time forgotten. ODA ng Japan at China hanggang news clipping na lang.

Sec Tugade and Villar nga nga pa rin.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 09:42 AM   #70
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This is how incompetent DOTr and DPWH is. Hangang plano lang ang alam, walang implementation. Kaya panay FS after FS ang mga projects natin since time forgotten. ODA ng Japan at China hanggang news clipping na lang.

Sec Tugade and Villar nga nga pa rin.
I guess Sec. Villar is too busy making himself look good for next election
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Old November 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #71
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JICA had to revise the FS to comply with the insistence of DOTr Sec. Art Tugade to use standard gauge rails rather than narrow gauge.
Ah, I want to see this one when it comes out, the one I read was still narrow gauge.

Wasn't Boo the guy in favor of keeping narrow gauge? Actually I had just been to Japan around the time Du30 went, I rode most of the rains save the Shinkansen(which will never be applicable to our conditions).

The E233 (and related ancestor/successor series) is pretty much the workhorse of the greater Tokyo region, like a Toyota Vios in PH, it's ubiquitous. Had we chosen to stay with narrow gauge, we would have hundreds of salvage E233s to cannibalize for spare parts for 30-40 years. One line I rode on -- the Shonan Shinjuki line, had 15 cars(with some double-deck reserved seating cars) and went 120km/h. I thought then if all our trains are like that our congestion problems are solved. If that's not the epitome of mass transit, then I don't know what is.

With standard gauge, the ones that stand out are the Keikyuu trains, which also operate at 120km/h. Prior to actually seeing the Japanese trains I was betting on some Euro stock like what Hitachi has in Europe, but turns out those are aluminum trains and for really harsh conditions that we have stainless steel is the way to go like in all the JICA studies.

Anyways, that doesn't sound like a confident piece of news. Someone on the inside please prove him wrong.

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Old November 6th, 2017, 02:19 PM   #72
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medyo OT if you read the subway PDF the E233 or Tokyu 16000 is the prime candidate for it ano kaya dito sa Northrail anong model ang gagamitin...
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Old November 6th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #73
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Baka Hitachi eh
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Old November 6th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #74
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Old November 6th, 2017, 04:35 PM   #75
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PH gov't ends dispute with China's Sinomach over Northrail project
Published 10:05 PM, November 06, 2017

This resolves an international arbitration case and spares the Philippines from P5 billion in potential fees, says the government

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine government finally resolved a 5-year row with a Chinese machinery conglomerate over a dropped rail deal, putting an end to international arbitration and sparing the country from a P5-billion obligation.

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The Department of Transportation (DOTr) and the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) said in a joint statement on Monday, November 6, that they, along with North Luzon Railways Corporation (Northrail), concluded an out-of-court settlement agreement with China National Machinery Industry Corporation (Sinomach).

Sinomach is the former contractor of the planned 80-kilometer rail line, which was to be implemented by Northrail, an agency under state-run BCDA.

The Northrail project was supposed to link the northern part of Metro Manila to the Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

At dahil kay President Penoy, muntik na naman tayong magbayad ng 5 billion php dahil hindi ina-honor yung kontrata Another out of court settlement. Fraport to NorthRail and a Belgian dredging project, the latter we were ordered by a court to pay 1 billion just this year. Anong klaseng kumag cancel nalang ng cancel dahil Arroyo project kuno?? buang panot.

Sana walang kumag na dilawan manalo sa 2022, baka macancel naman lahat ng proyekto sa pipeline. O baka galawin pa ng mga galamay nila tulad sa nangyre sa mrt3.
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at least sa fraport 90% done na yun project nung kinansel at napapakinabangan natin ngayon.

Yun northrail, wala kundi wasted time and money. The news made it look like we saved P5B but sa totoo nakagastos na tayo ng P10.6 billion for the initial work done. Purisima paid Eximbank of China in 2012 so the bank won't declare us in default and have adverse effect on the country credit rating.. What we have is 2km of unfinished piers na idedemolish na ngayon.

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Old November 7th, 2017, 02:41 AM   #77
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So wala nang utang? or meron pa?
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at least sa fraport 90% done na yun project nung kinansel at napapakinabangan natin ngayon.

Yun northrail, wala kundi wasted time and money. The news made it look like we saved P5B but sa totoo nakagastos na tayo ng P10.6 billion for the initial work done. Purisima paid Eximbank of China in 2012 so the bank won't declare us in default and have adverse effect on the country credit rating.. What we have is 2km of unfinished piers na idedemolish na ngayon.

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The point was you just don't cancel contracts left and right if you're not confident you're gunna win with legality in court cases. In the case of Penoy, he cancelled Arroyo's projects because it's Arroyo. Like mother like son. That's what Cory did if I recall. She renamed the already built ones as well Diosmio it runs in the family or maybe political color
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don't forget, there's still another arbitration case we are surely going to lose: the French steel modular ro-ro contract.

Cancelled because besides being an Arroyo project, "typhoon-prone" daw tayo kasi. Ayos diba. Just imagine if all these ro-ro ports were built and completed. Haist.

Ito problema sa Pinas - besides the massive "tongpats / bukol fee", once does not guarantee a contract will be honored.

We need to drastically reduce the cost of corruption to a more "manageable" level as we will never be able to get rid if corruption.

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