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Old November 17th, 2019, 01:09 PM   #19361
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I shall be pleased when this monster is finally completed and it can be put away and images of it cease. I was not that excited by the ground level as seen from Bishopsgate - a bit of a mess compared with how they would finish off a structure of similar size in the States (examples 425 Park Avenue, NYC and Bank of America, Charlotte).
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Old November 19th, 2019, 02:39 AM   #19362
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Exterior completed?

It looks like they have as good as finished the exterior glazing and panelling on the south and east side at the top of Twenty Two over the weekend.

This was the view today - 19/Nov/2019.


TwentyTwo Bishopsgate by The Commuter Consultant, on Flickr

And a zoomed in shot of the top levels.


TwentyTwo Bishopsgate by The Commuter Consultant, on Flickr

There are still the odd panels missing on the east side where the east tower crane was attached, and it'll be the same on the west side for a while as that crane is slowly shrinking.
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Old November 19th, 2019, 07:03 AM   #19363
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This change came out of nowhere.

120 Fenchurch Street style rooftop and that, adds extra interest to the restaurant and the tower itself. Looks good to me.

My camera's gathering dust sooo..
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This change came out of nowhere.

120 Fenchurch Street style rooftop and that, adds extra interest to the restaurant and the tower itself. Looks good to me.

My camera's gathering dust sooo..
I assumed they'd be filling in the gap with more glass no?
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Old November 19th, 2019, 04:51 PM   #19365
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Considering it has cladding brackets I would say yes it will.
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Old November 19th, 2019, 05:49 PM   #19366
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Looks great from that angle. Love the platinum sheen of the cladding, although i guess it will change colour depending on the light like the Shard. I still think it should have been taller so that the top bit doesn't look so stumpy and dull. Otherwise, its perfectly fine as a big skyscraper office building, just not iconic as the Gherkin or Shard have become.
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Old November 19th, 2019, 09:44 PM   #19367
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Old November 20th, 2019, 01:38 AM   #19368
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Old November 20th, 2019, 04:00 AM   #19369
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I’m a proud Londoner, these views are tragic. We have somehow managed to create the ugliest skyline on earth. I’ve tried to like it. I have. But we have failed.

22 Bishopsgate and 20 Fenchurch are such grotesque slabs they could each ruin a city by themselves. We have two together and combined. Fatal.

The worst of it is we are now ruining Canary Wharf as well, because the height restriction creates a numbing terrace effect. It’s like looking at very tall and expensive slums.
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Old November 20th, 2019, 06:31 AM   #19370
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I'm no fan of 22 Bishopsgate and far less so of 20 Fenchurch, but I think you're catastrophizing a bit there.
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Old November 20th, 2019, 11:04 AM   #19371
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Tsk tsk
WT is iconically quirky.
Or maybe I mean ironically.
Fat Slab is merely a big filler to usher in what's next.
CW is bulking up nicely but skylines need curves & angles.
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Old November 20th, 2019, 12:59 PM   #19372
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Spires and domes not flat roofs.
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Old November 20th, 2019, 03:56 PM   #19373
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Old November 20th, 2019, 04:41 PM   #19374
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And One Undershaft is hardly going to improve the look, all stuck together like a splodge of Wrigleys!
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Old November 20th, 2019, 09:40 PM   #19375
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Great skylines are ones that taper - individually, on a skyscraper - and collectively, as a cluster.

22BG is inelegant because there is no taper (relative to its size) - there are a few set-backs, which when viewed from certain angles, give it a bit of a taper. But for most orientations, its profile is a wide bulk that stops abruptly at 1000ft.

20FS is outright offensive because it is an inverted taper, giving a big f**k you to skyline form for the sake of maximizing commercial floor space.

Arguably, London's about 60 years too late to have a visually-attractive skyscraper skyline - modern steel-frame construction techniques allow vast blocks that maintain floor area up to higher levels. Had London started skyscraper construction at the same time as NYC did, it may have had more elegant set-backs, spires and pinnacles that gave the skyline a more visually attractive and congruent taper.
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Old November 20th, 2019, 09:49 PM   #19376
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And One Undershaft is hardly going to improve the look, all stuck together like a splodge of Wrigleys!
I donít know. Thereís an argument that the City skyline is now so hideous and splodgy, like a giant metal dung heap, more density cannot make it worse, and might save it.

If weíre gonna have the craziest, most condensed cluster in history, then make a virtue of necessity. Build Caves of Steel
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Old November 21st, 2019, 01:26 AM   #19377
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Just needs filling out in gaps and they need to make changes to CAA so that towers above 300-metres can be built. For me, The Tulip would have helped a bit, but not sure if that's the end of it, i had hoped they'd have appealed Sadiq Khan's decision ;(
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 01:50 AM   #19379
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 09:29 PM   #19380
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Iíve been a long time lurker on this site, since the days of the heron tower construction and the age old question of is it taller than Guys?

I have lost my previous account, but havenít felt compelled enough to create another until now- and just to admonish you all for being a bunch of sour pessimists.

This building is complimentary to the Skyline for its sheer size and elegant cladding, Iíll admit it looks awkward on the medieval floorplan of London, but in its context that makes it all the more extraordinary, a 21st century tower emerging from one of the oldest cities in Europe and all you can seek to do is complain.

It will anchor further developments, like undershaft, and opens up a whole new conversation on the importance of skyscrapers in our modern world, and the public psyche.

Reading this forum makes me ever so glad I left England for the infectious optimism of the United States, and makes me pity those of you still moaning about *everything* on that rainy little island.

Be happy you have a 270+ m tower to be writing about - other UK cities can barely break 200.

P.S. 20 fenchurch street isnít that bad.

And with that Iíll go back to being a silent observer, toodles
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