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Old December 29th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #61
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A stupid rule? Say that to the fans who have been unable to get tickets in recent years when's it's been played in Amsterdam, Hamden park, Schalke, Athens ect. I think the rule should be even stricter, it should be 70,000 after the extra press facilities and high advertising boards have reduced the capacity.

In the US a stadium has to be at least 73,000 to host the super bowl.
That is not true about the Super Bowl. Ford Field in Detroit hosted a couple of years back and they don't even hold 65,000. Reliant Stadium in Houston hosted a few years back and they did not top 71,000.
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Who cares for Super Bowl?
American Football is waste, Super Bowl therefore too.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 11:40 PM   #63
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American Football is waste, Super Bowl therefore too.
The Superbowl is not out of place in this thread since a comparison is made between the biggest annual football game by UEFA and the biggest annual NFL American football game.

Your disqualifying opinions about American football are out of place imho!
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Indeed. It's very sad to see other Europeans dismissing American sports so easily, and of course visa versa. Seems to be a recurring theme on these boards though.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:56 AM   #65
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americans do? they are also just people, like we are. just with different interest. and it's fine for them, so?
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Nothing wrong with Supa Bowl.

It is a great place to buy soup. Their chicken soup is excellent!
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Old December 30th, 2008, 02:33 AM   #67
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Because of the amount of coporate seating the bigger the better.

The amount of neutral tickets on offer suprise me too, why does a host city need tickets, surely the honour of hosting the game, and gaining international exposure and boosting tourism is boon enough, getting 15,000 localised tickets is a joke.

i'd assume a stadium like wembley would need less seats taken by corporates as it was designed for big games rather than week in week out games.

so 70,000 should be the target capacity, it is simple if you want to hold a champions league final build a big stadium, but in building a stadium your aim should be to cater to your fanbase, not to the corporates over in the tax haven!

oh yeah and the super bowl is definately comparable to the champions league final, it is clear that, that is the direction uefa want to take it, especially by moving the final to a weekend, i for one am for that... making the final an event, maybe a catchy name wouldn't go a miss, can't think of one though...

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Old December 30th, 2008, 06:10 PM   #68
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americans do? they are also just people, like we are. just with different interest. and it's fine for them, so?
Do you see american people talking in this thread?
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Old December 30th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #69
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No, but why is the superbowl such a bad analogy to draw; a big sport event played at a large neutral stadium with fans travelling many miles to watch it. It seems like quite a good idea to see whether we can learn anything from the Americans in this regard. You dismiss things too easily.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #70
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Has Super Bowl anything to do with the UEFA competitions? No!
Don`t understand this deification discussion about the super bowl in this topic, thats all.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:55 PM   #71
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Practically Sporting spoiled Da Luz's chance cause probably if Lisbon would have bided they would have used Da Luz.

This must be the joke of the day. Sporting loosing the opportunity to host a final just to help Benfica get one
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #72
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Bruxelles, capital of Europe.
I agree with you. And would bring more significance to the competition.
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Has Super Bowl anything to do with the UEFA competitions? No!
Don`t understand this deification discussion about the super bowl in this topic, thats all.
don't answer that

anyway of course it is relevant, the super bowl is similar to the champions league final as previously mentioned, the difference is it's a much more successful event in relative terms, thus by disecting the aspects that make it a success, we can talk about how they can be implemented into making the champions league final a better event than it already is, yaha?

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oh yeah and the super bowl is definately comparable to the champions league final, it is clear that, that is the direction uefa want to take it, especially by moving the final to a weekend, i for one am for that... making the final an event, maybe a catchy name wouldn't go a miss, can't think of one though...

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Old December 31st, 2008, 01:00 AM   #74
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Like bigbossman said it

UEFA's aim will be to be "better" than the Superbowl. And i am sure that the UEFA can learn a lot from the NFL.
Rising the final capacity is just one point
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This must be the joke of the day. Sporting loosing the opportunity to host a final just to help Benfica get one
Are you so sure? In 2005 both Da Luz and Sportings stadium were able to host Champions League finals, 5 stars stadius both of'em. If you would have quoted the whole idea maybe you would have understood that the discussion was about the Olympic with athletics track hosting all the finals from 2005 to 2009. Practically stadiums like Sporting, Hamburg or even in older cases Westfalen Stadion and De Kuip that could have hosted a C.L. finals but chose to go for UEFA Cup. Sporting by biding and wining for 2005 practically compromised Da Luz and even Dragao for a C.L. final thinking UEFA has no intentions to host to many finals in a country in a close period of time so more strongly the same city.
The idea was simply that if stadiums that have 5 stars la Alvalade or HSV would have bided for the C.L. finals, having the conditions for one, the games wouldn't have been only played on Olympic stadium with big fat athletic tracks and limited visibility.
Now with the 70.000 rule it's seems destined that CL finals will be played in a very big % on stadiums like Luzhniki, Olimpico, Ataturk or Athens.
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And Cardiff, Manchester, London, Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Madrid and Valencia. Of these cities only the Olympiastadion Berlin has an athletics track.

In the near future (within 10 years) Marseille and Rotterdam might be added to that list. The plans for Rotterdam, the New Feyenoord Stadium, are looking very good and are strongly backed by the city. I do not know the latest status about the Marseille plans, but I hope they will go through as well. Both new or improved stadiums will not have an athletics track.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 10:05 PM   #77
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you are so proud of that stadium...

btw... you forgot KIEV stadium … it will be eligible for the final to... i know... olympic stadium... but it will be in EE so it will get one in the future... liverpool stadium... if it will get built … and amsterdam (it will get expanded no ? )

@paul . istanbul had 2005 CL and 2009 UEFA ... 4 years ... so... that Da Luz final hosting would have worked...
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oh yeah and athletics track stadiums should be banned from top level european competition... that is the champions league, uefa cup and international matches... if a club isn't big enough to sustain it's own football only stadium then i question the legitimacy of their place amongst the elite!
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 12:13 AM   #79
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you are so proud of that stadium...

btw... you forgot KIEV stadium … it will be eligible for the final to... i know... olympic stadium... but it will be in EE so it will get one in the future... liverpool stadium... if it will get built … and amsterdam (it will get expanded no ? )

@paul . istanbul had 2005 CL and 2009 UEFA ... 4 years ... so... that Da Luz final hosting would have worked...
In the latest period it's the only exception and that comes as a UEFA Cup Final after a C.L. final. But practically, it's the only stadium in the east that can host a final except Pireu's ( same thing for Athens as for Istanbul btw ) cause the rest hosted C.L. finals anyway ( Athens & Moscow ) and Istanbul seemed the best option if a UEFA Cup should not be held only in the west, especially that Eastern European teams started playing these finals and eventually wining them: Galatasaray, CSKA, Zenit.
Well, I don't know who usually bids for the UEFA Cup Finals but I think it's something like "Do you want it? Take it" of course, with the condition to be 4 or 5 *.

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Old January 2nd, 2009, 01:43 AM   #80
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you are so proud of that stadium...
Yup. It is not everyday in a city a large stadium like that is build. That my favorite team will be playing there is great imho.

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btw... you forgot KIEV stadium … it will be eligible for the final to... i know... olympic stadium... but it will be in EE so it will get one in the future... liverpool stadium... if it will get built … and amsterdam (it will get expanded no ? )|
You are correct, I forgot Kiev, Liverpool and Amsterdam. The Liverpool stadium is now on hold? I still do hope that it gets build although I am not very fond of the design as it appears to be in the renders. But it would for sure qualify with the 73.000 seat capacity.

Amsterdam can expand the ArenA to just over 70.000 seats, according to several conducted studies by the Arcadis engineering buro. So it would also qualify. But no definite plans and timelines are known for this expansion. And in the current climate it is not going to happen soon. A pro WC-2018 in Belgium and The Netherlands decision would make a big difference here

But if the Michel Platini wish for at least 75.000 seats becomes reality, suddenly cities like Amsterdam, Liverpool and Berlin would loose the ability to hold the CL final. Now Amsterdam and Liverpool can not host at the moment, but I am sure they would like to host the CL final. But that MP criteria is too harsh imho. Two or three thousend seats more or less are not going to make the difference.
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