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Old August 13th, 2010, 04:20 AM   #1301
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Zeppelins over NYC

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1936 New York Times Bldg; Hindenburg airship going to hangar in Lakehurst, NJ

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USS Macon over NYC
USS Macon (ZRS-5)..Flying over New York Harbor, circa Summer 1933. The southern end of Manhattan Island is visible in the lower left center.
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08 Aug 1936, Manhattan, New York, New York, USA --- An excellent aerial photo showing the giant German Dirigible as she sailed majestically over the skyscrapers of Manhattan enroute to her berth at Lakehurst, NJ. This is the first photo berth made on the big airship in flight in the daytime.

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Old August 14th, 2010, 07:47 AM   #1302
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I know it was never considered safe to tether an airship to the top of a skyscraper but recall the mast on top of the ESB was a possible site......was it ever really considered or did it just look like it could be used for this reason ?
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Old August 14th, 2010, 08:31 AM   #1303
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I know it was never considered safe to tether an airship to the top of a skyscraper but recall the mast on top of the ESB was a possible site......was it ever really considered or did it just look like it could be used for this reason ?
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Empire State Airship Mooring
Photoshopped picture of the original idea of making an airship mooring on the top of the Empire State building.

The Empire State Building was completed on time and under budget. Yet for such a well-thought-out building, it was remarkably unprepared for its role as aviation pioneer. Granted, the building's framework was stiffened against the 50-ton pull of a moored dirigible, some of the winch equipment for pulling in arriving ships was installed, and the 86th floor was readied with space for a departure lounge and customs ticket offices. The builder's lawyers even prepared a thick brief, arguing, amongst other things, that owners of neighboring buildings could not sustain a claim of trespass when they found dirigibles overhead. But no one worked out one other problem: wind. The steel-and-glass canyons of Manhattan are an airship captain's nightmare of shifting air currents. Raskob and Smith were inviting the unwieldy craft to come in low and slow, over hazards such as the menacing Chrysler Building spire, and somehow tie up without use of a ground crew. Then, too, if the crew released ballast to maintain pitch control, a torrent of water would cascade onto the streets below. And once secured, a dirigible could be tethered only at the nose, with no ground lines to keep it steady.

Passengers would have to make their way down a stinging gangway, nearly a quarter mile in the air, onto a narrow open walkway near the top of the mast. After squeezing through a tight door, they would have to descend two steep ladders inside the mast before reaching the elevators. "Can you see some of the 75-year-old dowager doing that?" asks Alexander Smirnoff, the current telecommunications director of the building, as he stands on that walkway.

Confronted with such daunting realities, Smith dispensed bland assurances that "there must be some way to work that thing out." He insisted that the US Navy was a partner in the project and its dirigible Los Angeles would dock at the mast. But the navy remained mum. The most it did was allow one of its smaller airships to hover nearby one day at the request of a newsreel company.

One small airship did drop a long rope to the mast and held on from a distance for a precarious three minutes, and another delivered a bundle of newspapers by rope. After that, the effort was quietly abandoned. But the mast remained, and it eventually became an asset, turning out to be a spectacular radio and television transmitter. It also provided two popular and lucrative observation decks. And it gave the Empire State Building an unforgettable profile
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Old August 14th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #1304
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Old August 15th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #1306
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New York In The 1920s

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St. Patrick's Cathedral

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Looking uptown from the top of the NY World Building

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Polo Grounds c.1928

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Old August 18th, 2010, 03:57 AM   #1307
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That first aerial in post 1298

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how well can we figure the date? Maybe 1954?
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Old August 19th, 2010, 01:48 AM   #1308
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Can't get that photo - can you host it?
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Old August 19th, 2010, 05:20 AM   #1309
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Well the post itself says it's from 1961.

The density of piers always boggle my mind.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 07:26 AM   #1310
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how well can we figure the date? Maybe 1954?
It was tagged "1961" and the best clue for that date would be the Chase Manhattan Bank Building downtown. It's a little hard to find if the building was just up to the lower floors, otherwise this shot could well be before 1960. The Mitchell Lama housing developments around Pratt in Brooklyn appear complete so it's not too much before 1960, if that's the case.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #1311
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I'm guessing Chase Manhattan isn't in the pic-- the pic isn't late enough for that.

Note no BQE past the south side of the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Dunno offhand when construction started on that; also dunno offhand when the Port Authority redid those Brooklyn piers, but somewhere around the same time.

Doesn't look like any sign of the Socony-Mobil tower on Lexington Ave? I'd guess it should be pretty prominent. When was that finished, 1957?
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Old August 20th, 2010, 03:52 AM   #1312
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I'm guessing Chase Manhattan isn't in the pic-- the pic isn't late enough for that.

Note no BQE past the south side of the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Dunno offhand when construction started on that; also dunno offhand when the Port Authority redid those Brooklyn piers, but somewhere around the same time.

Doesn't look like any sign of the Socony-Mobil tower on Lexington Ave? I'd guess it should be pretty prominent. When was that finished, 1957?
The portion of the BQE that connected the Williamsburg Bridge with the Navy Yards was opened in 1960. So indeed this image is likely from before 1959. I looked for the Socony Mobil Building in Midtown but that area of this photo is too cropped and blurry to see it. The building was completed in 1952 and was the largest post-war commercial development when it opened. You're right about the Chase Manhattan Bank. At this point in time there may have been the beginnings of site clearance only. The tower was completed in 1961. Just from the look of the bare parks, I'd say this image was from sometime in the winter of 1957-58.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 04:12 AM   #1313
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Here's a few pics of Chase Plaza:

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September:
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May 1960:
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Substantially complete by July:
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By February 1961, it was finished:
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And the finished product in 1965:

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1963

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Looking at the pics of the '39 World Fair then seeing New York in '63 soon to hold another World's Fair isn't it about time you do it again ? I went to Corona Park during my last visit to the USA and this site left an eerie feeling.......like it should be vibrant and showcasing the World again. Yet standing in the centre of the old NY state pavilion I think of it as modern ruin with quite a unique place in history.....Do many people still have old pics from the '64 Fair ?....I found some on the www.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 07:31 AM   #1316
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Looking at the pics of the '39 World Fair then seeing New York in '63 soon to hold another World's Fair isn't it about time you do it again ? I went to Corona Park during my last visit to the USA and this site left an eerie feeling.......like it should be vibrant and showcasing the World again. Yet standing in the centre of the old NY state pavilion I think of it as modern ruin with quite a unique place in history.....Do many people still have old pics from the '64 Fair ?....I found some on the www.
I'm thinking of doing a thread. There's a million pics out there!
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A Trip To New York 1960

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The Helmsley Building Grand Central Terminal
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Isn't it amazing that buildings like the Chrysler Bld. looked so old and unloved back in 1960...infact it was only about 30 years old then and now 50 years later she looks good as new : ) There must have been a time where buildings went up and they only cleaned window glass ?
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 07:33 PM   #1319
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great! like a movie
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Some old picture I've found.. sorry if it has been posted allready..

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