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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #201
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Twenty London high-rises with Grenfell cladding system
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Castlemain Tower – Wandsworth – 21-storey tower

Chalcot Estate – Camden – five up to 23-storey towers

Clements Court – Hounslow – 13-storey tower

Escale (formerly City Gate House) – Grants Hill – 14-storey

Ferrier Point – Newham – 23-storey tower

Little Venice – Westminster – six 23-storey towers

Premier House – Edgware – 13-storey tower

Wates Tower – Croydon – four 11-storey towers

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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:07 PM   #202
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I'm sure that RBKC and H&F and another borough have pooled their resources and have effectively become tri-borough. Allegedly H&F has pulled out recently but it will take sometime to extract their resources out.
The 3rd was Westminster. The arrangement formally ends 1st April next year. It fell apart when H&F suddenly got a Labour council who demanded that the arrangement should actually produce decent services. K&C therefore decided to pull out

For insider views the comments in the below are illuminatin, and entertaining.

As far as I'm aware housing services were not part of the tri-borough arrangement so this is probably tangential to the subject here.
http://fromthehornetsnest.blogspot.c...ough-flop.html
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Old June 19th, 2017, 12:38 AM   #203
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Living close to the Castlemaine tower listed in Mr Cladding's post above, we've been having a close-up look whenever possible at what the various local towers are clad with. Castlemaine Tower, as well as Sudbury House in Wandsworth town centre, are definitely not out of the woods yet as they both seem to have aluminium sandwich cladding panels of uncertain fire-worthiness. Everyone is understandably nervous.

Interesting thing is that Wandsworth seem to have conspicuously moved away from these flammable cladding materials with their most recent tower refurbishments - Weybridge Point is one of the newest cladding jobs and on close inspection it has Soladrilho terracotta cladding, the same used on lots of high-end buildings in the mid-2000s - inherently non flammable and way safer. I knew this was one of the better cladding jobs around, but it's only once I had a peer between the joins that I realised the quality of the material it's made of.


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Maybe someone had a feeling trouble might be on the way on the other towers - or maybe Wandsworth were just angling for a higher quality look. Either way, a good demonstration that there was no need to use the dubious plastic materials; if notoriously efficient and cash-conscious Wandsworth can justify installing something of this relatively high quality on a social housing block they own and manage, it's hard to believe that much-richer Kensington & Chelsea half a mile away couldn't afford the same.
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Interesting thing is that Wandsworth seem to have conspicuously moved away from these flammable cladding materials with their most recent tower refurbishments - Weybridge Point is one of the newest cladding jobs and on close inspection it has Soladrilho terracotta cladding, the same used on lots of high-end buildings in the mid-2000s - inherently non flammable and way safer. I knew this was one of the better cladding jobs around, but it's only once I had a peer between the joins that I realised the quality of the material it's made of.
The question is, did they use any insulation under the tiles? And if yes, what insulation was used.

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It looks they used mineral wool. Much better choice.
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They've put a gag order (D-Notice) on British Media, this means British media cannot go into specifics about the Grenfell Tower disaster, we won't be told the amount of deaths nor how it all happened. I remain speculative, I'm hoping there doing this because they've opened up a criminal investigation and not because they want to hide the real truth whatever that may be. We waited so long for hillsborough (and in some cases still are waiting), I hope this isn't the case for that.
No they did not
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Old June 19th, 2017, 04:55 PM   #206
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source: http://www.ozdemiryapi.com.tr/images...7f3982670b.pdf

"WARRINGTON fire research" certified also other similar cladding with PE core.
Ajecobond - https://www.warringtoncertification....Al%20Jaber.pdf
Larson - https://www.warringtoncertification....%20Alucoil.pdf

I don't understand it.
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No they did not
Yes they did.
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They might have lifted it since*
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Yes they did.
No they didn't.

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The Heygate estate redevelopment should be a blueprint for all future council tower block redevelopment. Demolish them all and rebuild in mid-rise form.
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The Heygate estate redevelopment should be a blueprint for all future council tower block redevelopment. Demolish them all and rebuild in mid-rise form.

Maybe don't ship out the existing residents to Essex though.
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The 5 storey house next to me was in multiple occupation (not in London)...when the landlord , otherwise an OK guy, several times failed to satisfy the fire brigades regulations they shut him down and evicted his tenants at 24 hrs notice. Does the London Fire Brigade have such powers?
The Finnish seem to have cornered the market for mega sized 'cherry-pickers'...the truck based Bronto Skylift is available with a range of reach heights to more than 100m https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=br...Jr4rtM:&xxri=1
Do the London Brigade have them?.The 2nd hand prices seem to be below £1m
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The 5 storey house next to me was in multiple occupation (not in London)...when the landlord , otherwise an OK guy, several times failed to satisfy the fire brigades regulations they shut him down and evicted his tenants at 24 hrs notice. Does the London Fire Brigade have such powers?
The Finnish seem to have cornered the market for mega sized 'cherry-pickers'...the truck based Bronto Skylift is available with a range of reach heights to more than 100m https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=br...Jr4rtM:&xxri=1
Do the London Brigade have them?.The 2nd hand prices seem to be below £1m

Nice find! Now imagine two of these, one with a basket to carry people and another dampening down the cladding. Perhaps these could have been used to save people trapped on the 21/22/23 floors if they could have got close enough?
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The Heygate estate redevelopment should be a blueprint for all future council tower block redevelopment. Demolish them all and rebuild in mid-rise form.
Pierce Brosnan just blew up the Heygate in a dreadful film on Film4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX-ZPUKr9BM
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Anyone know where I can invest in tinfoil hats - looking like a good investment at the moment, given retarded crap like the above being posted.
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Seems the highest reach cherry picker with the LFB is 32 metres (ca. 100 ft)
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Seems the highest reach cherry picker with the LFB is 32 metres (ca. 100 ft)

The Mail is reporting that this appliance (based in Surrey) has a useable reach of 42m (137 feet). They are asking why it wasn't used on the night of the fire. No doubt the answer is that it was too far away and by the time it became clear the tower was about to be consumed it couldn't hope to get there in time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...body-hunt.html

However the obvious $64,000 question is - as there are far more high rises in London, especially near the city centre, why wasn't something like this (or an even higher version) based in the capital? Who decided it wasn't needed by the London Fire Brigade?


Another point - are all such residential high rise towers surrounded by clear hard surfaces that would allow deployment of these appliances to tackle fires on all sides? If not, why not?
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