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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:50 PM   #301
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I suppose everyone has seen the article in The Sunday Times about the number of stairwells in high end rise towers?
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Old February 13th, 2018, 04:18 PM   #302
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I suppose everyone has seen the article in The Sunday Times about the number of stairwells in high end rise towers?
Yes. It's going to be an issue I'm sure of it. Not entirely logical, but there it is. Perception is a big part of it.

The article was a bit screwy in places too. It picked on The Spire project as having only one escape stair, even though in the same article it pointed out that it had actually had 2 stairs up to the 54th level anyway.

It also doesn't attempt to go into the rationale why offices typically have more stairs (for open plan spaces with greater populations) than residential (lower population and compartmentalised plans).

One well-designed stairwell is infinitely better than two shoddy ones.

Two well-designed stairwells is superfluous, but at the same time, if I lived there it would reassure me nonetheless.
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Old February 18th, 2018, 06:05 PM   #303
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Is there a thread on this forum about "New Capital Quay" in greenwich? This recently completed (2014) high end build with a number of fire risks.

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According to Dezeen.com, "Consultation on the future of the Grenfell Tower site would lead to a "fitting memorial" to those who lost their lives in the fire", and "A plan for new housing on the site will not be imposed on the survivors or the local community."

I think this implies that the site of the Grenfell Tower will remain empty following its upcoming demolition. Considering London's current densification efforts, why can't the site just be filled with a brand-new tower or even a low-rise building? I hate to be insensitive, but something going wrong with a building to the point of it being demolished means we have to waste space for new buildings on memorials.
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Old April 20th, 2018, 12:51 PM   #305
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Very bad move in my opinion. Turning the site into a memorial will immortalise the politicisation of this tragedy.

Along with the pathetic virtue signalling that is proposing to rename Latimer Road station, the stench of political point scoring taking the place of meaningful action is horrendous.
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According to Dezeen.com, "Consultation on the future of the Grenfell Tower site would lead to a "fitting memorial" to those who lost their lives in the fire", and "A plan for new housing on the site will not be imposed on the survivors or the local community."

I think this implies that the site of the Grenfell Tower will remain empty following its upcoming demolition. Considering London's current densification efforts, why can't the site just be filled with a brand-new tower or even a low-rise building? I hate to be insensitive, but something going wrong with a building to the point of it being demolished means we have to waste space for new buildings on memorials.
Surely the best memorial would be a NEW Grenfell Tower, with a memorial and also homes allocated for those who lost theirs in the original tower if they want them?
Whose short sighted crazy logic thought "let's just obliterate a huge chunk of housing and mess up London's housing crisis even more"? How do these people get jobs in this sector?
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Surely the best memorial would be a NEW Grenfell Tower, with a memorial and also homes allocated for those who lost theirs in the original tower if they want them?
Whose short sighted crazy logic thought "let's just obliterate a huge chunk of housing and mess up London's housing crisis even more"? How do these people get jobs in this sector?
You may think that, but those who loved ones may not agree. I suspect their views would carry a bit more weight than yours.
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Turning the site into a memorial will immortalise the politicisation of this tragedy.
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 05:27 PM   #309
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Hijacking a tragedy to promote your political agenda.

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It's not my political agenda though is it. This tragedy didn't need to happen.
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Old May 14th, 2018, 01:58 PM   #311
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Architects reveal ideas for £15 million refurbishment of Grenfell Tower estate
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Architects including Adjaye Associates have presented ideas for the refurbishment of the Lancaster West Estate in London, site of the Grenfell Tower tragedy.

Cullinan Studio, Maccreanor Lavington, Murray John Architects, Levitt Bernstein and Penoyre & Prasad also contributed concepts to the report produced by Lancaster West Residents Association, exploring the future of the estate.

The report doesn't include Grenfell Tower, which was destroyed by fire on 14 June 2017. But it does contains a book of ideas for each of the estate's blocks, along with a overarching report that looks at improving the public walkways and communal areas.

The solutions suggested by architects were informed by a series of workshops and ideas days, where residents of the estate were invited to raise problems and suggest potential improvements.


Benches and raised flower beds have been suggested as improvements at Camelford Court, in an ideas book overseen by Adjaye Associates

"These books are the next steps in our work with architects and the council to design the future of the estate," said the Lancaster West Residents Association in the report.

"This work gives us a major voice on the future of our own homes. After the tragedy last June, this is fundamental step for residents to begin the process of rebuilding their lives."


Other proposals for Camelford Court include adding open-plan areas, and replacing poorly maintained kitchens and bathrooms

A report leaked earlier this month concluded that "deficiencies" introduced during renovation work fuelled the deadly Grenfell Tower fire, which killed 71 people. The tower and the area immediately around it will remain a crime scene until the summer, as the police investigation continues.

Of the £28 million promised by the British government to aide the recovery effort, £15 million has been set aside for the regeneration of the wider estate, which was built in the 1970s and is home to 1,000 households.

Kensington and Chelsea council has promised a resident-led project, with no demolition of people's homes and residents' ideas for improvements taken into account. The council had previously faced criticism for ignoring concerns by Grenfell Tower residents that refurbishment work had made it unsafe.


Adjaye Associates also oversaw the ideas book for Camborne Mews

Issues to address in the refurbishment project, as identified in the report, include poor accessibility and layout in individual flats, as well as problems with ventilation and damp.

Wider issues affecting the estate as a whole are also identified. These include flooding in the streets, a deficit of safety and security measures across the estate, and a lack of green spaces.

The architects responded with concepts tailored to specific parts of the estate, which has been separated into nine areas for the purpose of the refurbishment.


MccreanorLavington suggests that the outdoor spaces by Treadgold House could be turned into a public garden

A proposal for re-landscaping of a pedestrianised street for Camelford Court includes raised flowerbeds and benches that could give ground floor flats privacy and produce a more pleasant environment. Another suggestion is for a small pavilion set in the green space surrounded by Talbot Grove House that could provide extra community facilities.

Ideas mooted for redesigning the entrances to some of the blocks suggested removing dark corners by opening them up to the street, adding private gardens to some of the flats and adding key-fob secured gates. In the interim, the report suggested adding CCTV and extra lighting to heighten security before major works go ahead.

Internally, the layout of the flats could be re-worked to introduce open-plan living and dining areas, as well installing new kitchens and bathrooms, and general redecorating.

Double-glazed windows would help with the damp and ventilation problems, although the report admitted that bigger problems with leaking pipes would be harder to fix. Overcrowding is also listed as an issue, although the architects suggest that extensions could be made at rooftop and basement level.

In the next part of the process, residents will be asked to select which designers they want to carry out the proposed plans.

Images sourced from Book of Ideas via Lancaster West Residents Association.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 03:01 PM   #312
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For anyone who declares that Grenfell was unexpected here is a clip from a 1984 documentary
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Old June 9th, 2018, 01:54 PM   #313
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New banners attached to Grenfell Tower, taken yesterday evening

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JAA floats Grenfell Tower memorial vision
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Practice proposes preserving tower ruins and adding 25th-storey roof terrace

London practice JAA Studio has created speculative proposals for a memorial to the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire that involve repurposing the remains of the charred tower block rather than demolishing it.

In an accompanying essay, JAA argues that the structure – taken over by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government from the Metropolitan Police earlier this month – should be retained, and clad with black concrete panels.

New introductions would include a 25th-floor roof garden and terrace, a light installation corresponding with the flat where the blaze that claimed 72 lives last year started, with the construction of replacement community facilities at lower levels.

A memorial for the victims of the June 14 disaster is one of the anticipated outcomes of an agreement between the MHCLG, Kensington & Chelsea council and survivors’ and residents’ groups that was signed earlier this year. A working group tasked with creating a memorial committee has now been established, but the committee itself has yet to be formed.

JAA said it anticipated that the actual preferred memorial would involve new housing being built on the site in a nod to the nation’s housing crisis and in a move that also served to whitewash the visible reminders of the disaster. But it argued that doing so would be a mistake.

“The most overwhelming image that sticks in our mind is that of the burnt-out husk of the building after the fire,” it said.

“And we clearly aren’t the only ones who think this, as this has become the go-to image for the media time and time again; it is haunting, it is galling, and it shocks; as it should do. This feeling however cannot be allowed to fade over time.”

The practice said London needed a “stark reminder” of what happened, to create a civic memory of what happened to make a repeat less likely – something that pointedly did not happen after the Ronan Point tower block disaster, which killed four people in east London in 1968.

JAA director Jenny Fleming said the “still, silent, blackened shell” of Grenfell was a “haunting and brutally honest account of what happened”, and as such made for a very disturbing sight in the aftermath of the fire.

“Now over a year on, the tower is cocooned in scaffolding and tarpaulin; not as raw, not as black, covered up,” she said.

“Grenfell Tower: In Memoriam retains the existing tower’s structure and encases it within a civic-scaled sarcophagus of 224 black concrete panels. Visually, the tower will remain part of the skyline, but differentiated from the similarly scaled blocks nearby by its lack of windows and unpunctured silhouette.

“It stands in the city scape, part of it, but standing apart. At night, Flat 16 where the fire started, is illuminated amongst the mass of shadow, a small gilded beacon, a quiet nightly narrator of the tragic event.

“The rooftop is made accessible to form a memorial roof garden. A perimeter of columns topped by a canopy in pared-back black concrete as per the monolithic tower below, act as a muted backdrop to contrast to the newly planted colours and swaying wild flowers on this new 25th storey open to the sky.”

JAA co-director Alessio Cuozzo said the roof garden would offer visitors a “true quiet space above the hustle and bustle”, a place to stop, reflect and breathe.

The bottom four floors of the memorial proposal would be renovated and extended for community uses, one of which would be replacement facitlities for the Dale Youth Amateur Boxing Club, and a permanent gallery dedicated to the disaster and its victims.

All other floors would be closed off, serving no purpose other than to form the monument in the landscape.

Cuozzo added: “This project does not claim to be the answer to the difficult conditions found in the aftermath of Grenfell, but instead offers an alternative way of thinking about the site and its new-found sanctity through disaster.

“If we build over these individual spaces borne out of tragedy we will forget over time. And the city needs its scars; the city needs to remember. Because if we don’t, in the future we won’t only be discussing Ronan Point and Grenfell, but who knows how many other avoidable catastrophes.”

Last week the Metropoitan Police announced that it had concluded investigations at Grenfell Tower and was no longer treating the site as a crime scene.

MHCLG confirmed that the site would not be transferred back to its legal owners, the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, and would instead be overseen by the department until the creation of a body steered by local residents, fire survivors and the bereaved that would lead decisions about the site’s future.

A letter to the community from housing secretary James Brokenshire and junior minister Nick Hurd last month said “any decision on the deconstruction of the tower” would be based on expert advice and that a “period of engagement” would precede the deconstruction of the tower’s remains.

MHCLG stressed that no decision had been taken on the future of the Grenfell site.

BD also asked it for the anticipated timescale for the creation of the commission and the process for creating the envisaged memorial. The department had not responded at the time of publication.







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Do the neighbours really want to be reminded of the tragedy every day of their lives?

Is it a good idea to have an observation deck to enjoy the views (the reality if not the intention) on top of a building where many people burnt to death?

Demolish it, build new housing and have a memorial garden here or close by.
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I'd have nightmares if I was anywhere near that thing, They surely can't approve that.
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Agree with the above. Incredibly ill thought through and insensitive proposal. The quote from the architect saying, “The most overwhelming image that sticks in our mind is that of the burnt-out husk of the building after the fire" should be enough to make them realise it's a terrible idea. Fortunately just a concept:

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Dent Coad, the local MP for Kensington and Chelsea said JAA Studio’s proposals would turn the tower into a ’misery porn theme park’.

’First, [the practice] assumes that the site, when the structure is taken down, will be developed. Where did that idea come from? Nobody has suggested that. Who would want to live on the site of the worst peacetime atrocity of our time?

’Local residents won’t allow it, the bereaved and survivors don’t want it.’

She added: ’The atrocity is but a year old. Think about those who live there. They have no wish to be reminded every day, for the benefit of others. This proposal is, frankly, macabre.’

In response to the criticism, Jenny Fleming, director at JAA, emphasised the proposal was intended as a concept but that the media had ’regurgitated the imagery’ and reinforced the ’incorrect assumption’ that their proposals were real.

’Dent Coad is therefore, unfortunately, commenting on what is a distortion of our output, under the false impression this was a ‘real’ proposal.

’We have since spoken with Grenfell United, who now understand the original work as a whole piece and how this was never intended as a real proposal for the site. We apologised for any misunderstanding caused through the mis-reporting of the piece.’

She added: ’Our hope now is that a productive conversation can develop with the residents’ wishes of course front and centre, and that, within the profession, the wider conversation continues about the state of our industry, procurement and the way we construct buildings.’

It was recently announced that the government would retain control over the Grenfell Tower site after an original plan to give responsibility back to Kensington and Chelsea council sparked outrage.

The site is expected to be turned into a memorial to the 72 people killed in the tragedy. A government document outlining the potential future uses of the Grenfell Tower site states the community will lead the decision-making process.

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/...034126.article
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