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Old October 25th, 2019, 01:06 AM   #6041
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Some visuals of the Twin Towers at night in the mid-to-late 70's probably, due to the issue with the night-switches it seems and more of the empty offices.

This is one of the main reasons why people miss the towers, especially when they were lit up at night. I mean - look at the density.
They did really make the New York skyline look magnificent in so many ways compared to the the new bunker tower (One World Trade Centre).

The replacement tower really doesn't make much of an impact than the Twins did. This is due to the reduction of the open (office) space that makes the tower block look like an obelisk, as if the structure is out of place because of it's design.

But hopefully those feelings will grow on everyone because I know the Twins had that struggle when they were first built.
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Old October 25th, 2019, 05:32 AM   #6042
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Hey guys! I run a Flickr page dedicated to photos of the WTC, it’s pretty neat due to the fact that most of them have the exact time they were taken! Here’s the link; https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
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Old October 26th, 2019, 01:36 AM   #6043
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Art of Remembrance New Yorks Twin Towers



A video depicting a large scale photographic proposed memorial for the Twin Towers Entitled " The Art of Remembrance" Original Music Be Marty Fegy, Zethus Productions. [email protected]

For anyone having an interest in visiting this proposed memorial or wanting to endorse/ help promoting it.
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Old October 31st, 2019, 02:42 PM   #6045
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I'm sure this has been posted here before but I'm going to repost it anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJDC_jLeFo

Incredibly rare footage of what it was like to walk from the subway exit to the concourse of the complex into the street level lobby of one of the towers (North tower in this video).
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Old November 2nd, 2019, 05:44 AM   #6046
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Can you increase the resolution size of the pictures? They're disappointingly small and a lot of those are good, especially the ones taken day(s) before 9/11
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Badass...

New York (1982) - Twin Towers by galabgal, on Flickr


Youd have been absolutely raging if you were in an office block looking out over the Hudson for them to stick that hotel there though!

Stunning. Still cant get my head around them not being there.
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Old November 4th, 2019, 11:11 PM   #6048
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I'm not sure how many people on this forum have read the following article by the New York Times, but it's well-written and worth a read. The article was published on September 10th earlier this year in part of the 18th remembrance service: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/m...tv-movies.html

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After Sept. 11, Twin Towers Onscreen Are a Tribute and a Painful Reminder
Some movie and TV executives excised the towers from pre-9/11 works. Others let them stand. Either way, for many viewers, the melancholy endures.


A scene in Armageddon, a 1998 disaster film that was not re-edited after the attacks. - Touchstone Pictures

By Tom Mashberg - Published Sept. 10, 2019 / Updated Sept. 13, 2019

It can happen abruptly, while flipping through reruns of Friends or
rewatching a movie like Armageddon or Working Girl: a sight of the twin
towers, dominating the New York skyline like steel sentinels.

I used to get so startled when I first saw them in repeats and old shows,
said Sally Regenhard, a skyscraper-safety advocate whose 28-year-old son,
Christian, a New York probationary firefighter, died when the towers fell 18
years ago.

Although she still views the towers as instruments of death, she added, I
do get less startled now.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center, filmmakers,
television producers, Hollywood executives and even the curators at the
National September 11 Memorial & Museum have pondered how best to deal
with material showcasing the towers in opening montages (The Sopranos,
Sex and the City); in scenes of computer-generated conflagration
(Armageddon, Independence Day); or as a setting for romance (Kissing
Jessica Stein) or affectionate satire (The Simpsons).

Of course, its not just the family members of those lost who are dismayed
by images of the towers, which until that day had been a symbol of New York
and its financial might. For just about anyone old enough to remember the
attacks, these scenes are likely to evoke sorrow, even today.


This scene from "Spider-Man" (2002), in which the hero spins a web between the towers, was deleted before the movies release. - Columbia Pictures

It almost seems like its the biggest issue in American etiquette, said the
director Sam Raimi, who in 2002 confronted an unusual challenge: how to
release a long-awaited blockbuster, Spider-Man, that featured an elaborate
scene in which the hero foils the helicopter escape of bank robbers by
trapping them in an enormous web stretching from the north tower to the
south tower.

For Mr. Raimi and his associates, leaving in that scene was unfathomable.

We didnt think it was our right, in the middle of the summer after this
terrible massacre, to show a scene of such heartbreak for so many, he said.
Mr. Raimi added that he was thinking about victims children going to see the
movie for fun or as an escape. I didnt want to pull them back into the heart
of that tragedy, he said.

Mr. Raimi was not alone in excising the towers from film or video in the
immediate aftermath of their collapse. Both The Sopranos and Sex in the
City deleted them from their opening credits, starting in 2002. The directors
of Kissing Jessica Stein and People I Know, whose films were on the
verge of premiering when the attacks took place, delayed their releases so
they could reshoot scenes that depicted the towers as indomitable landmarks.


A still from the opening credits of televisions Sex and the City (June 1998). The credits were altered after the Sept. 11 attacks. - HBO


The World Trade Center was also removed from the images at the start of The Sopranos, shown here in a still from January 1999. - HBO

The producers of The Simpsons also halted the rebroadcast of a 1997
episode featuring a tiny Homer racing across the wide Trade Center plaza (he
was trying to make it to a restroom on the top floor of the north tower) as
the skyscrapers loom above him.

But as time passes, even the worst wounds begin to heal. As glimpses of the
pre-2001 towers began to conjure wistfulness and nostalgia more than
horror and trauma, the Simpsons episode was put back into syndication.
And this year, the original hand-drawn cel depicting Homers mad dash to
relieve himself was welcomed by the 9/11 museums curator, Alexandra
Drakakis, as a hilarious and tender donation.


An original animation cel for the 1997 episode of The Simpsons titled The City of New York
vs. Homer Simpson was welcomed as a donation to the National September
11 Memorial museum in New York. Twentieth Century Fox, via Jin S. Lee/9/11 Memorial & Museum


I know my heart hurts when I see them in old images, said the director
Bart Freundlich, who did not delete several shots of the towers from his 2001
film, World Traveler, starring Julianne Moore and Billy Crudup. They dont
just represent something tragic but something marvelous about the city as well.

Thinking back nearly two decades, filmmakers like Jennifer Westfeldt, who
was a writer and co-star of Kissing Jessica Stein, have not exactly second-
guessed their editing decisions but looked back on them with the bittersweet
benefit of time and distance.

Ms. Westfeldt debuted her movie at the Toronto International Film Festival
on Sept. 10, 2001, just hours before the attacks. She recalled the joy she
felt after her film, replete with gauzy, golden-hour shots of the towers, was
applauded. A New Yorker, she awoke the next day to news of the attacks and
spent the next 48 hours camped in front of a TV, crying and contacting loved ones.

Her movie had a second screening on Sept. 12, she said, and the people
who went basically reported back that there were audible gasps and sobs at
those images.

It was just gut-wrenching, she added. All these images that were meant
to be beautiful and romantic were now harrowing and triggering in the midst
of a rom-com that was intended to make you laugh, not traumatize you.

Ms. Westfeldt said she and her colleagues debated intensely about whether
to leave in the Trade Center scenes and risk inflicting more pain on people,
or remove them and possibly erase or misrepresent history. In the end,
they chose to reshoot the scenes. She asks herself now whether the original
scenes might have stood the test of time as the despair of losing the towers ebbed.

Michael Nozik, producer of the 2002 movie People I Know, starring Al
Pacino, felt the same way. We wanted to make sure we were not seen as
exploitative and insensitive at a time when there was so much grief, he said
of the reshoot. Now, he said, Its nice to look at all the beautiful images of
the Trade Center because its more like honoring them than the horror of
recalling that event.

Some directors, though, do not support altering a pre-9/11 picture based on
post-9/11 sensibilities. Among them is Michael Bay, the maker of
Armageddon, a 1998 summer disaster flick that shows one of the towers
ablaze after a meteor strike.

You cant change history, Mr. Bay said. Art is art its a form of expression.

Movies are shot, edited and finished for the world to see, he continued.
They dont get re-edited because history changes. If we go there, that
means every movie must change. Every book, every short story, every
painting of New York in the past 30 years. It would never end.

Other film and TV makers say it comes down to timing to asking yourself
whether youve violated the rule of too soon.

The British director Paul Greengrass grappled with that question when he
decided, in 2006, to make United 93, about the Sept. 11 plane that
crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers revolted against their hijackers.
As the first commercial post-9/11 feature, it was assailed as distasteful
before its release. But when it came out, it was critically acclaimed and
saluted by the passengers loved ones for its verisimilitude and poignant
lets roll ending.

When I see the towers now, I get a feeling of sadness and loss, Mr.
Greengrass said. But, in a funny way, he added, I also see them as a
beacon of what was and what can be.

Jan Seidler Ramirez, the chief curator at the memorial museum, said her
institution would not shy away from exhibiting both serious and silly images
of the towers. Visitors, she said, can watch a nine-minute film that pays
homage to the Trade Centers role in The Wiz, Home Alone 2 and various
Superman movies, thrillers and crime dramas.


A King Kong movie poster from 1976, featuring the beast on top of the World Trade Center,
is also on display at the Sept. 11 museum in New York. - Paramount Pictures


I see it as a positive sign of civic healing for the towers to be reintroduced
into the background of films and elsewhere, Ms. Ramirez said, or seen in
postcards and comic books of that era. She even has the campy King
Kong 1976 movie poster on display, in which the towers serve as the title
characters last bastion against mankinds helicopters and flamethrowers.

For the kids who never saw them, she added, they now have a reference
for how tall they were and the way they owned the skyline.

Mary Fetchet, whose 24-year-old-son, Brad, died in the attacks, said, Many
people have understandably fond memories of the towers and the old skyline.

There has been healing, said Ms. Fetchet, who helped found Voices of
September 11th, an advocacy group for survivors. But she cautioned that
for a lot of people in our community, the images of the towers remain a
very difficult and unpredictable trigger.
As a fitting tribute to the magic of the Twin Towers that never ceases to inspire and must never burn out or pushed to the background.

Let me know your thoughts.
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Old November 4th, 2019, 11:52 PM   #6049
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I'm not sure how many people on this forum have read the following article by the New York Times, but it's well-written and worth a read. The article was published on September 10th earlier this year in part of the 18th remembrance service: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/m...tv-movies.html







As a fitting tribute to the magic of the Twin Towers that never ceases to inspire and must never burn out or pushed to the background.



Let me know your thoughts.


Tastefully done. Not being a New Yorker I cant speak for them, but being someone who fell in love with New York after the events, and as I said in an earlier post, I still find it difficult to get my head around what happened that day, they should never be forgotten and those who perished within and without, equally, should be remembered eternally.

Id agree with the article that the towers should be honoured and remembered in awe.

The first time I visited was in 2007, long after the attacks, but Ground Zero was still very much rubble and left us in no doubt the scale and the enormity of the destruction. Trying to imagine the height of them was, even for an engineer, pretty much impossible. My missus spent a good half hour in tears at the site and although I have to be honest and say Im not the type to cry, it was emotional. Very, very emotional indeed.

As long as its done in a way that the memory of those who died isnt tarnished, theres absolutely no harm in remembering how the goliaths of the greatest city on Earth once was.
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Old November 5th, 2019, 11:20 PM   #6050
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Tastefully done. Not being a New Yorker I cant speak for them, but being someone who fell in love with New York after the events, and as I said in an earlier post, I still find it difficult to get my head around what happened that day, they should never be forgotten and those who perished within and without, equally, should be remembered eternally.

Id agree with the article that the towers should be honoured and remembered in awe.

The first time I visited was in 2007, long after the attacks, but Ground Zero was still very much rubble and left us in no doubt the scale and the enormity of the destruction. Trying to imagine the height of them was, even for an engineer, pretty much impossible. My missus spent a good half hour in tears at the site and although I have to be honest and say Im not the type to cry, it was emotional. Very, very emotional indeed.

As long as its done in a way that the memory of those who died isnt tarnished, theres absolutely no harm in remembering how the goliaths of the greatest city on Earth once was.
Well said. I look at them every single day and nothing will change that. My wallpaper, phone background and a large poster of them I have up over my bedroom desk keeps them alive on a daily basis where they will live on forever.

Cutting them out or trying to pretend they never existed because of the tragedy is shameful and I'm glad there are many out there like us who are keeping these titans alive. This thread is a treasure. They have been my favorite skyscrapers for over 20 years now and that will not change.

New York World Trade Center by Oliver Schpgens, on Flickr
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Well said. I look at them every single day and nothing will change that. My wallpaper, phone background and a large poster of them I have up over my bedroom desk keeps them alive on a daily basis where they will live on forever.

Cutting them out or trying to pretend they never existed because of the tragedy is shameful and I'm glad there are many out there like us who are keeping these titans alive. This thread is a treasure. They have been my favorite skyscrapers for over 20 years now and that will not change.

New York World Trade Center by Oliver Schpgens, on Flickr
And I consider it even more shameful that they weren't rebuilt, but without any of the flaws that caused them to collapse on 9/11. About as shameful as the demolition of the original Penn Station. Sure, you could say doing so would've been inappropriate or disrespectful or whatever, but personally, I think the best way to never forget is to recreate what was there.
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