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Old January 14th, 2020, 07:39 PM   #181
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These glass/metals frames may age like milk, our georgian streetscape is timeless.
Most of the new "glass/metals frames" built today, especially office buildings like proposed new Setanta centre, will be taken down before we die (at least most of us).
Nobody is rising these structure "for centuries", they have their life span designed and will be demolished (recycled) when their age will reach it.
6D in Building Information Modeling (BIM) stands for building life-cycle. Like all things around us - cars, computers, smartphones - new buildings are meant to be replaced every so often and longevity / timeless is not a virtue anymore.
(good for people working in construction industry).
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Old January 14th, 2020, 08:39 PM   #182
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Timeless is not a virtue anymore.
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Old January 14th, 2020, 09:31 PM   #183
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There are two almost fully intact 250 year old Georgian Houses being knocked on Kildare Street as part of this.
any actual evidence for this?
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Old January 14th, 2020, 10:04 PM   #184
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any actual evidence for this?
Not quite 250 years old but old apparently. From the IT:
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The group of late Georgian houses dates from around the late 1820s and Mr Hickey said they compose “a key approach to Leinster House”.
“The terrace features some of the best quality handmade brickwork in the city, historic sash windows and balconettes, roof structures and chimneys. The houses have experienced superficial alterations of the years, but have retained their coherence and can easily be restored to a high quality – never mind premium – state” he said.
Dunno if anyone here used to hang around the Archiseek forum before Paul killed it by constantly changing the software but the IT is quoting one of the most prolific posters from there - Graham Hickey.

But anyway, I've no idea why you'd go to bat to argue for the demolition of these handsome buildings? There are literally thousands of derelict/semi-derelict or underused sites between the canals that surely should be "filled in" before we have to resort to demolishing good-looking historic stock to make room for a building like this.
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Old January 15th, 2020, 10:21 AM   #185
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Refused by DCC.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ment-1.4139449

Proof that HJL can bullshit with the best of them...

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Henry J Lyons told Dublin City Council the development sought to sensitively introduce a contemporary commercial building into the historic streetscape of Kildare Street...
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Old January 15th, 2020, 05:28 PM   #186
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Proof that HJL can bullshit with the best of them...
I wouldn't blame HJL for doing what they do especially in this particular location as this is clearly developer/owner driven. Larry Goodman got his big cake of new Setanta granted and this was just too much of him trying to dominate the area. I think he also applied for one more building on Kildare Street (still shown as planning pending today) protected structure which he intended to turn into offices (his own probably) so he should be happy with what he got already.

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Old January 15th, 2020, 06:17 PM   #187
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any actual evidence for this?
The cast iron balconies are Victotrian era added on to Georgian buildings so they weren't with the original buildings. So they have to be realistically before about 1870. Apart from that having a look at the chimneys and how they are constructed from 3D google maps look to be Georgian rather than imitation Georgian.

We can always have a look at registry of deeds, thoms directory and other records if needs be. Also having a look at the remaining cornicing and other features are usually fairly solid ways of telling

Edit: ahhh I see Gjim has pointed out they are around 190-195 years old which is still old enough to be worth saving in my eyes

The 4 buildings facing Trinity cricket pitches which look to be 1 Victorian,1 regency (with top lopped off) and 2 late Georgian are less worth saving but still worthy in my opinion.

That still leaves a sizeable and profitable site for Larry Goodman to build a modern office block

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Dunno if anyone here used to hang around the Archiseek forum before Paul killed it by constantly changing the software but the IT is quoting one of the most prolific posters from there - Graham Hickey.
Ah yes it was always an adrenaline rush seeing a new wonderful essay posted by Graham H about some part of Dublin, new or old, on archiseek

Does anyone know if he posts like that anywhere anymore?
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Old January 20th, 2020, 11:50 PM   #189
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Ah yes it was always an adrenaline rush seeing a new wonderful essay posted by Graham H about some part of Dublin, new or old, on archiseek

Does anyone know if he posts like that anywhere anymore?
He writes occasionally for the Sunday Times on matters architectural. Seen his byline beside articles in the Culture magazine and against some book reviews.
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Old January 21st, 2020, 12:19 AM   #190
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Ah yes it was always an adrenaline rush seeing a new wonderful essay posted by Graham H about some part of Dublin, new or old, on archiseek
I know, I know it's off topic so this will be my last comment on the subject - but losing some of those threads was a real pity - all that's left now is a subset of posts with broken links and missing images, unknown users, etc.

Yep - G Hickey's O'Connell St thread could/should have been made into a book. And the Dutch Billy thread by Gunter was an incredible piece of work. Plenty of working architects and some developers posted there also. I just checked - my first post there (in 2004) was a rant about how the DDDA were screwing up the docklands with their stupid height restrictions
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Old January 21st, 2020, 02:47 AM   #191
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I just checked - my first post there (in 2004) was a rant about how the DDDA were screwing up the docklands with their stupid height restrictions
But you only joined a few months ago????
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But you only joined a few months ago????
He was talking about when he joined Archiseek obviously.
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