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Old July 11th, 2019, 04:29 AM   #521
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The afp doesn't have planes with all the gizmo's for maritime patrol, but the most basic thing is just a plane with a window where someone can scan the horizon with binoculars, of course the afp need a lot more of them to provide a more persistent presence given the scale of the challenge and of course more ships at sea .
Not picking on your post but I found it not workable even if we were given 5 TC90's by Japan. See it this way:
The distance problem is solved by having those giveaways from Japan but we have such a long border to patrol and that number of planes just cannot suffice. Take a simple patrol area on KIG:
  1. distance from Antonio Bautista Air Base (RPVP) is 510 km.
  2. If the PAF can achieve a cycle time of 30 minutes plus
  3. a reserve flight time of 45 minutes reqt for safety plus
  4. the transit time of 1 hour and 14 minutes (510km/413kph of TC90), plus
  5. a 15-minute loiter time (time on station)
  6. the patrol time will be 3.19 hours!
We, therefore need 24/3.19 TC90 ~8 patrols per day. We lacked 3 units not considering that aircraft availability is never 100%. It will be more problematic if there is a rule that you cannot use a plane more than once in a day, that means we really need 8 TC90's, IMO.
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Old July 11th, 2019, 11:37 AM   #522
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IMHO, there's nothing you can do when the base metal of the ship is eroded/corroded beyond repair. Take the least example of 0.5mm per year corrosion rate and you have an 80 year-old ship! Even if the sheet metal used at the port and starboard side of the ship is 2 inches (50.8mm)--> you will now have a 10mm thick corroded sides in your very old ship!
That's why you paint your ship with marine paint and maintain it properly. If I'm not mistaken, the USN still uses a centuries old, wooden, Naval Cutter to train its sailors.

The ship being steel hulled is not the issue. The preservation and maintenance is. Do we have budget for it, or can we generate enough revenue for the floating museum to be self-sustaining?

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Not picking on your post but I found it not workable even if we were given 5 TC90's by Japan. See it this way:
The distance problem is solved by having those giveaways from Japan but we have such a long border to patrol and that number of planes just cannot suffice. Take a simple patrol area on KIG:
  1. distance from Antonio Bautista Air Base (RPVP) is 510 km.
  2. If the PAF can achieve a cycle time of 30 minutes plus
  3. a reserve flight time of 45 minutes reqt for safety plus
  4. the transit time of 1 hour and 14 minutes (510km/413kph of TC90), plus
  5. a 15-minute loiter time (time on station)
  6. the patrol time will be 3.19 hours!
We, therefore need 24/3.19 TC90 ~8 patrols per day. We lacked 3 units not considering that aircraft availability is never 100%. It will be more problematic if there is a rule that you cannot use a plane more than once in a day, that means we really need 8 TC90's, IMO.
This was a question during the oral arguments on the writ of kalikasan… What would you consider as "adequate" patrol?

Surely there is NOT a country on Earth -- even the biggest economies -- which can patrol their territorial seas, and more so, their EEZ on a 24/7/365 basis.

Is a daily over flight adequate? 1 week on station of an OPV or CG ship adequate? Is persistent satellite surveillance with weekly over flights of a TC90 and 1 week on station of an OPV/CG ship adequate? etc etc...


Because whatever that is that the AFP, DA and DOTr deem as adequate, will cost money. How much do we spend on EEZ patrols and enforcement vs how much we spend on education and healthcare?
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Old July 11th, 2019, 01:26 PM   #523
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Not picking on your post but I found it not workable even if we were given 5 TC90's by Japan.
Well i did write :

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of course the afp need a lot more of them to provide a more persistent presence given the scale of the challenge and of course more ships at sea .
I think that everyone agree's that even if the afp does have some assets that it isn't enough in terms of numbers and capabilities, this is of course evident to anyone who looks at the afp's inventory .
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As long as they do not reach our major cities especially Metro Manila.
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The LAV 300 is imo the most powerful armored vehicle in the afp's current inventory with it's high mobility and 90MM gun, but it and the Commando are really getting old and there's too few of them, of course it's a good thing that the marines got new amphibious vehicles that replaces the old lvt5's from the Vietnam era but ideally they should have at least 40, imo those Commando and LAV 300 along with the one's used by the army and the Simba's should be transferred to the pnp .

The afp should imo develop more mobile wheeled armored forces ideally based on a single ifv type, composed of perhaps one dedicated tank killer with a big gun like the Centauro 2 and a lighter armed recon and of course transport and medivac versions, together with the incoming attack helicopters and air mobile units this can be a highly mobile force that can be deployed anywhere in the country within a short period of time, this would be useful either in a Marawi type situation in the south or an invasion in the north .


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Carpio to Duterte: There are many ways to enforce arbitral ruling other than war
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This was in response to Duterte’s dare to Carpio to respond to Chinese President Xi Jinping’s threat of “trouble.”

“Ngayon sabi ko, turuan ninyo ako paano na sinagot na ako ni Xi Jinping noon, “There will be trouble.” Kaya sagutin mo muna ako Justice, give me the formula at gagawin ko."

1. Enter into a sea boundary agreement or convention with Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei.

2. File an extended continental shelf claim in the West Philippine Sea beyond the EEZ off the coast of Luzon, where China is the opposite coastal state.

3. Deploy 10 new response vessels donated by Japan for the Philippine Coast Guard’s use.

4. Welcome the Freedom of Navigation and Overflight Operations (FONOPs) of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Australia, Japan, India, and Canada in the South China Sea.

5. Send its own Navy to join the FONOPs.

6. Invite claimant countries such as Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei to conduct joint FONOPs in the South China Sea.

7. Support private efforts to enforce the ruling.


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Panelo to Carpio: Duterte's way still the best
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Panelo said Duterte's "way" ensures China and the Philippines will continue bilateral negotiations about the maritime dispute.

"Still, the best 'yung negotiation pa rin. 'Yun pa rin ang No. 1. Mag-uusap tayo," said Panelo on Monday, July 15, during a Palace news briefing.

Carpio said Duterte's projection of war as the only other option is a "hollow attempt to scare our people into submission to China."
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All of Carpio's points apart from #3 make sense. AFAIK all those 10 PCG ships are already serving their districts quite well and I'd find it unreasonable to move those assets to the WPS. The incoming OCEA ship would work and so are the 2 future PCG ships from Japan.
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Abus attack CAFGU post; 1 dead, 4 hurt
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ZAMBOANGA CITY , Philippines — A militiaman was killed and four others, including two children, were wounded when Abu Sayyaf bandits attacked an outpost of the Citizen Armed Forces Geographical Unit (CAFGU) in Sumisip, Basilan on Sunday.

Col. Rufino Inot, Basilan police director, identified the fatality as Norman Aramal, 47, a member of the Special CAFGU Active Auxiliary.

Inot said the bandits led by Pasil Bayali attacked the CAFGU outpost in Sitio Ereley, Barangay Sumisip Central at about 8:15 a.m.

The wounded children were playing at a nearby house. Asakali, who was driving his motorcycle near the area, was hit by a stray bullet.

2 cops killed in clash with 'Reds' in CamSur town
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LEGAZPI CITY -- Two policemen were killed in a clash between the Philippine National Police (PNP) and suspected New People’s Army (NPA) rebels early Sunday morning in a remote village of Bato town in Camarines Sur, a police report said on Monday.

Major Maria Luisa Calubaquib, Police Regional Office-5 (Bicol) spokesperson, identified the slain policemen as Master Sergeant Sotero Javier and Patrolman Prince Lagdameo, both members of the 2nd Camarines Sur Provincial Mobile Force.

2 NPA rebels killed in Agusan clash with soldiers
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CAMP BANCASI, Butuan City – Two Communist New People’s Army (NPA) terrorists were killed, while an undetermined number of other rebels were believed wounded, in a fierce gun battle Sunday with troops of the 75th Infantry (Marauder) Battallion (75th IB) in Barangay Bunawan Brook, Bunawan town, Agusan del Sur province, Capt. Edwin Leo J. Francisco, Civil Military Operations (CMO) officer of the 75th IB said.

The 75th IB CMO officer told The Manila Bulletin on Monday that the gun battle took place while the soldiers conducting security operations due to the reports of concerned citizens on the presence of armed men in Sitio Sta. Monica, Bunawan Brook, allegedly collecting money and food from the residents.
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All of Carpio's points apart from #3 make sense. AFAIK all those 10 PCG ships are already serving their districts quite well and I'd find it unreasonable to move those assets to the WPS. The incoming OCEA ship would work and so are the 2 future PCG ships from Japan.
What Carpio doesn't take into account to is how China will react if you did any or all of those things.

Do you think China will sit idly if you start talking to Vietnam to form a coalition and shut them down completely?

Carpio should just STFU.

He will die bitter with all regrets having been bypassed 5x when he finally is forced to retire.
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All of Carpio's points apart from #3 make sense. AFAIK all those 10 PCG ships are already serving their districts quite well and I'd find it unreasonable to move those assets to the WPS. The incoming OCEA ship would work and so are the 2 future PCG ships from Japan.
How do you propose to implement it? Do you know that nothing is spent without having Congress to pass those? Do you know how much is required for fuel alone? How can you arrange the manning requirements? How do you feed our men? The devil is in the details, I was told!
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Carpio to Duterte: There are many ways to enforce arbitral ruling other than war
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This was in response to Duterte’s dare to Carpio to respond to Chinese President Xi Jinping’s threat of “trouble.”

“Ngayon sabi ko, turuan ninyo ako paano na sinagot na ako ni Xi Jinping noon, “There will be trouble.” Kaya sagutin mo muna ako Justice, give me the formula at gagawin ko."

1. Enter into a sea boundary agreement or convention with Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei.

2. File an extended continental shelf claim in the West Philippine Sea beyond the EEZ off the coast of Luzon, where China is the opposite coastal state.

3. Deploy 10 new response vessels donated by Japan for the Philippine Coast GuardÂ’s use.

4. Welcome the Freedom of Navigation and Overflight Operations (FONOPs) of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Australia, Japan, India, and Canada in the South China Sea.

5. Send its own Navy to join the FONOPs.

6. Invite claimant countries such as Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei to conduct joint FONOPs in the South China Sea.

7. Support private efforts to enforce the ruling.


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Ang bayaran na Carpio! pa Epal din ang gago!

Let us discuss his stupid ideas:

1. I am sure we have existing agreements with these countries already. Meron pa ngang joint patrol ang Indonesia at PH sa southern borders if I remember it right.

2. You can file all you want kahit pa paabutin yan sa Africa..but it is useless unless recognized by you know who. Even Vietnam which Carpio and company refused to include in their complaints in the WPS will just laugh at his proposed extension.

3. Bobo! ang puthang Carpio.. paano mo i deploy lahat, eh sa daming ng area of responsibilities ng coast guard throughout the archipelago. Sino ang tutulong pag may nalunod na bangka sa Siargao o kaya sa Sorsogon. Tanga ang gago!

4. Ayan lumabas din ang pag ka traydor. Sigurado bayad yang Carpio na yan mga taga emabssy dyan sa Roxas blvd. FONOPS daw! LOL! Actually ito lang ang talagang gusto ni Carpio et al.. ang gustong iparating sa gobyerno sa Pilipinas..dinagdagan lang nya. Kasi yan ang sabi ng mga masters nya from the oval office para hindi daw obvious..

5. Same as above.

6. Same as 4 and 5 above.

7. Sino ang mga private individuals na yan? Are they the majority of Filipinos? or sila yung mga may green cards lang! Tapos sumasawsaw pa mga zombies ni Joma Sison para lalong magkagulo ang bayan.
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^My bad guys. That was just a naive knee jerk comment which I obviously didn't think through.
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[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/previous.gif[/IMG] sa #1 palang.. Sasabihin ng China..

"We'll severe all economic ties with Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Brunei and the Philippines while we request OPEC to side and support us in this endeavor..., OPEC supporting us means ensuring their Oil and Petrochemical consumption market share in Chinese Manufacturing "

at dahil wla ng Chinese imported products sa mga malls pati Quiapo at Divisoria.. at wla ding Krudo at Gasolina.. Crisis kinalabasan 😂😂😂..
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I think pertaining to points n 1 and 6 one of the biggest failures in the region as a whole is how little regional states have developed asean, it is a bit like the European Union in the 1960's but which today has gone far enough that it is laying the ground work for a common European army, imo the region should at least establish a mutual defense pact, of course there are what could basically be called Chinese satelite states in asean such as say Cambodgia which could try to impede things from within, but imo the Philippines working closely with countries like Indonesia Singapore etc could have enough weight to advance such projects within asean .

After all asean is aiming to create a common market etc, and it doesn't make sense imo to have one member states economy which will increasingly become linked or interdependent with its fellow members economies disrupted in any way, of course the conditions in asean is quite far away from those in the EU but imo there's no time like the present to lay the groundwork for the future .

Individually asean states are easy prey for larger powers but together they have a combined economy that is around the size of the UK or India and that's going to be a bit harder to push around .
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Have you known country, have problem with other country that other country HELPs to resolved???
Wala naman akong alam, ewan, baka kayo mayrun?
Kung pakialaman ng kano, wait tayo, umpisahan natin ang gyera, kasi tutulong yan may issue din debate sa US senate, kaso, kung disapproved sa US senate, ubos na ang pinas...

Look, remember Kuwait almost 70-80% na napulbos ng Iraq saka lang dumating ang kano...
Swerte taga Kuwaiti mapera kaya, lipad agad...
Swerte lang din yung ismi me and others that time, sama agad sila sa lipad...
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