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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #121
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Johannesburg and SA as whole will start losing attraction in the coming years.The main reason the foreign firms base(d) their headquarters there was because of the infrastructure.Now that other African countries are investing more in their infrastructures, i'm surprised to see some people still clinging on this notion that the country will continue remaining the hub for a very long time.Already, the location of SA makes it unattractive and countries like Kenya or Ethiopia have more potential of attracting investors given the fact that they have airports that serves almost every African capital city and it's easier to travel from there than SA.
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Johannesburg and SA as whole will start losing attraction in the coming years.The main reason the foreign firms base(d) their headquarters there was because of the infrastructure.Now that other African countries are investing more in their infrastructures, i'm surprised to see some people still clinging on this notion that the country will continue remaining the hub for a very long time.Already, the location of SA makes it unattractive and countries like Kenya or Ethiopia have more potential of attracting investors given the fact that they have airports that serves almost every African capital city and it's easier to travel from there than SA.
Wait till ARIK Air Joins that Boat.........
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why is it just Lagos and Joburg that can be continental hubs? Nairobi could become one, and imo it's probably the most strategically positioned out of all three cities.. Just because Nairobi has a smaller economy and population (I think its pop. is still smaller than Joburg's), doesn't mean it can't go beyond being a regional hub someday..Perfect example, Singapore.
The difference is that Johannesburg and Lagos have no competition in their regions; they are giants in a region of minnows. They have a massive competitive advantage as a result of that. That's not the case for Nairobi, which will have to field competition in its own region first before thinking of going continental.

To illustrate, Lagos has a population around 15 million, and Nigeria around 150 million, plus it has a very active business community with companies that are already going continental. No other country in West Africa can compete with that, now or in the future, so Lagos can continue rising unhindered.

Johannesburg is the largest city in the southern part of the continent, and it is light-years ahead of any potential competition not only in its region, but also continent-wide. Even though the SA population is not that large, compared to its neighbors it's still the largest by far, easily double the next most populated country. It's also already a hub for foreign investors interested in the continent, plus its own companies have massive investments in the rest of Africa.

Compared with these enormous advantages these two countries/cities have, it should be clear that Nairobi doesn't have the same clout. I've said this before here (and gotten beaten down by Kenyans for it lol); the fact that all of Kenya's neighbors languished for decades has given the impression to a lot of Kenyans that you are light-years ahead and that you have massive advantages. That's not at all the case though, since all the surrounding nations, barring Somalia, are now starting to grow rapidly, so Nairobi's position as the major center of East Africa is in a much more precarious position than either Lagos or Johannesburg.
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That's true, but I think Nairobi having more competition is a good thing. It'll force the city to stay on its heels.
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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM   #125
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Naija you've given up on Nigerian Airways already I thought they started sharing routes with Ethiopian Airways to increase destinations
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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #126
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Wait till ARIK Air Joins that Boat.........
Arik Air, future dominator of West Africa's airspace. But it doesn't matter if Arik Air serves every African capital, I think it'll grow large thanks to Nigeria's huge domestic travel market (which ofc is in the making)....
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That's true, but I think Nairobi having more competition is a good thing. It'll force the city to stay on its heels.
Competition is a very good thing. That's why I think East Africa is the region to watch in the future. There are a lot of cities vying for top spot compared to any other part of the continent, PLUS it's the best connected region (aerially) with both Addis and Nairobi being major hubs for continental travelers, it's also the region growing the fastest, it's the region closest to the emerging giant Asian markets, etc. There's really no excuse for us to fail at this point.
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Naija you've given up on Nigerian Airways already I thought they started sharing routes with Ethiopian Airways to increase destinations
I thought it was defunct..Arik Air is in the lead, one of the fastest growing carriers on the continent...
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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #129
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Wait till ARIK Air Joins that Boat.........
We'll have to wait but you also have to keep in mind that the other airlines wont be sleeping.They are already established across most of the African cities and ARIK may find it tough to unlock most of their markets, it may be even forced to do some partnership here and there.

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Naija you've given up on Nigerian Airways already I thought they started sharing routes with Ethiopian Airways to increase destinations
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We'll have to wait but you also have to keep in mind that the other airlines wont be sleeping.They are already established across most of the African cities and ARIK may find it tough to unlock most of their markets, it may be even forced to do some partnership here and there.

"if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"
Well, first and foremost, West Africa is ours to conquer, and maybe West Central Africa.
The other regions like East, we will have to do some patnership for a while.
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Someone mentioned earlier about running battles with Kalenjinis...
Its all good, keep running Kenya...
No dude,next time bring substance to the debate and you wont be run over.
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Arentall the Kenyan long distance runners Kalenjins>??
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Old July 27th, 2011, 07:03 PM   #134
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Well, first and foremost, West Africa is ours to conquer, and maybe West Central Africa.
The other regions like East, we will have to do some patnership for a while.
Air Arik doesn't seem to travel to most West African destinations. How can Lagos become a hub under that scenario?
KQ, ET and European airlines dominate West African skies right now.
If Air Arik's board is smart, their strategy should be to make Lagos a hub for all west African countries - IOW, have flights between Lagos and every capital city in the region. As of now, only 6 countries are serviced (Senegal, Gambia, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Benin and Niger).
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The difference is that Johannesburg and Lagos have no competition in their regions; they are giants in a region of minnows. They have a massive competitive advantage as a result of that. That's not the case for Nairobi, which will have to field competition in its own region first before thinking of going continental.

To illustrate, Lagos has a population around 15 million, and Nigeria around 150 million, plus it has a very active business community with companies that are already going continental. No other country in West Africa can compete with that, now or in the future, so Lagos can continue rising unhindered.

Johannesburg is the largest city in the southern part of the continent, and it is light-years ahead of any potential competition not only in its region, but also continent-wide. Even though the SA population is not that large, compared to its neighbors it's still the largest by far, easily double the next most populated country. It's also already a hub for foreign investors interested in the continent, plus its own companies have massive investments in the rest of Africa.

Compared with these enormous advantages these two countries/cities have, it should be clear that Nairobi doesn't have the same clout. I've said this before here (and gotten beaten down by Kenyans for it lol); the fact that all of Kenya's neighbors languished for decades has given the impression to a lot of Kenyans that you are light-years ahead and that you have massive advantages. That's not at all the case though, since all the surrounding nations, barring Somalia, are now starting to grow rapidly, so Nairobi's position as the major center of East Africa is in a much more precarious position than either Lagos or Johannesburg.


Nairobi/Kenya also languished during the 24 years of Moi regime. If half the development took place back then as it is now, God forbids what Kenia would have been.

Nairobi's position as a hub of East Africa is not in a precarious position as you alluded. We do have good command of the English language, which is a requisite for international trade. And besides, there is this alluring factor that draws more and more expatriates to Nairobi and their Dollars, Pounds, Shillings, Lira, Deutsche Marks, Rupees name it.
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Well, first and foremost, West Africa is ours to conquer, and maybe West Central Africa.
The other regions like East, we will have to do some patnership for a while.
Yeah, KQ and Ethiopian don't want you trying to sneak into their turf.
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Old July 27th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #137
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Air Arik doesn't seem to travel to most West African destinations. How can Lagos become a hub under that scenario?
KQ, ET and European airlines dominate West African skies right now.
If Air Arik's board is smart, their strategy should be to make Lagos a hub for all west African countries - IOW, have flights between Lagos and every capital city in the region. As of now, only 6 countries are serviced (Senegal, Gambia, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Benin and Niger).
Lol, I said West Africa is ours To conquer....lol
Flights Nigerians make to these countries alone will be more than enough to make it so.
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Nairobi/Kenya also languished during the 24 years of Moi regime. If half the development took place back then as it is now, God forbids what Kenia would have been.

Nairobi's position as a hub of East Africa is not in a precarious position as you alluded. We do have good command of the English language, which is a requisite for international trade. And besides, there is this alluring factor that draws more and more expatriates to Nairobi and their Dollars, Pounds, Shillings, Lira, Deutsche Marks, Rupees name it.
You can of course have your opinion, but I personally think you are quite wrong.
Nairobi does not have the advantages that Lagos and Joburg enjoy; the largest competitors to Lagos are Abidjan (which is in crisis mode so that's that), and Accra (which is too small to have the same impact); Joburg's competition is Maputo (which is a very long way behind), Harare (need I say more?) and Luanda (most potential, but still a long long way behind).
Nairobi OTOH has AA, DES and Kampala to contend with. They are behind right now, but the scale of difference is nowhere near the kind observed in WA and SA.
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Well, first and foremost, West Africa is ours to conquer, and maybe West Central Africa.
The other regions like East, we will have to do some patnership for a while.
Accra is also normally used by major airlines as a hub because of the peaceful nature of Ghana though there is no aspiring Ghanaian Pan-African carrier at the moment.
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Accra is also normally used by major airlines as a hub because of the peaceful nature of Ghana though there is no aspiring Ghanaian Pan-African carrier at the moment.
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